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Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 12:20 pm
by kingrat
Lorna, I am still laughing about the Kelly McGillis comment!

I've always liked Anne Hathaway's performance in Brokeback Mountain. Here's this spunky gal so full of life when we first see her, and then we see her drained of life because of what her marriage has been. I don't like the scene where the guys meet and Jake Gyllenhaal poses gay-bar style against his car in a seductive pose. Gene Shalit got roasted for calling this a seduction scene, but that is what we see on screen. An awkward sense of attraction seems to me what the story calls for. If Gyllenhaal has the experience to pose this way, what is he doing in rural Wyoming? It's out of character.

I also agree about the lube. If a film doesn't want to get into the mechanics of who does what to whom, fine, but if it does, then a little more realism is called for.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 1:18 pm
by Lorna
kingrat wrote: March 24th, 2024, 12:20 pm I also agree about the lube. If a film doesn't want to get into the mechanics of who does what to whom, fine, but if it does, then a little more realism is called for.
If they'd used lube, it would've won BEST PICTURE.

(Those of you still mad about CRASH all these years later- think about it.)

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 2:12 pm
by Lorna
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if a film is set anytime in ENGLAND ca. 1800-1940 and features A DRAWING ROOM, then I'm in- (bonus points for A CONSERVATORY)

On that note, I checked out AN INSPECTOR CALLS (1954) a deeply, deeply BRITISH FILM in all things but ideals. Based on a play by JB PRIESTLY who was a curious writer (he wrote BENIGHTED on which THE OLD DARK HOUSE is based)- it is ostensibly a MYSTERY early on, then that goes out the window and honestly, it gets INSUFFERABLY "BOLSHY" to a downright HAMFISTED level (I am QUITE left of center and it was just too DIDACTICALLY MARXIST for me). according to wikipedia, this thing DEBUTED IN SOVIET RUSSIA IN 1945 (????!!!!!)

there is a touch of CLIFFORD ODETS here, and I don't mean that as a compliment.

the performances, while fine, are SO ARCH as to honestly lend the whole thing to parody.

THIS FILM has the rare distinction of being simultaneously stage-bound and disarmingly abrupt in its change of setting- it's hard to explain why, you just have to see it.

there is a wild twist that threatens to make the film interesting near the end, but eh.

spoilerish:

THE ENDING, while it helps to explain just why ALISTAIR SIM gives such a CURIOUS performance as the titular inspector, makes the whole thing feel like it could and should have just been a 20 minute segment in DEAD OF NIGHT or some other PORTMANTEAU HORROR FILM OF THE TIME.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 2:12 pm
by CinemaInternational
Another bleak round of dealing with the Oscars, and with the glum 2000s, and with uncomfortable issues such as Nazis, concentration camps, cloning, serial killers, warfare, govermental corruption, and sundry other issues.

Seven Beauties (1975) -- This was brutal. It is the saga of a man of dubious morals who will do anything it takes to survive WWII and the concentration camps. This was so unflinching that it reminded me a lot of the later Midnight Express. This is a well made film, but like Boys Don't Cry the other day, it is a hard film to view.

The Boys from Brazil (1978) -- Ick. Pulpy story imagines that the infamous Dr. Mengele (Gregory Peck, uncomfortably cast) was making dozens of exact genetic clones of Hitler, as Nazi hunter Lawrence Olivier tries to track him down and untangle all the disturbing secrets. The film is a tawdry mess, in extremely bad taste, and the film is artless in its staging.

Sling Blade (1996) -- Character study of a mentally slow man (Billy Bob Thornton), once guilty of a double murder, being let out of an institution , and it shows him reentering society, and how this ultimately affects others in a small southern town. The performances are rich, the script is good here, but at close to two and a half hours, this is a bit too long for its own good.

American History X (1998) -- Just what the world didn't need: a film about Neo-Nazis. Edward Norton plays a former skinhead who gets out of prison to find that his brother is drifting into the same poisonous beliefs. He then tries to save his brother, to no affect, as the film doubles back for black-and-white flashbacks of Norton's own days of hate. Performances are fine, but the film is loathsome and a waste of time.

Pirates of the Caribbean: The Curse of the Black Pearl (2003) -- This was wildly hyped on its first release (not least for the then-novelty value of seeing the Disney logo on a PG-13 film), but this is a pretty sodden affair, lacking the gleeful snap of the Erroll Flynn pirate films or of Burt Lancaster's The Crimson Pirate. Instead, aside from Johnny Depp's scenery chewing, it is a fairly mordant and self-serious swashbucker, and the film cracks under the heavy touch.

Monster (2003) --- Charlize Theron won an Oscar for her performance as a female serial killer in this film, and the film perhaps surprises by trying to show all that lead up to this lamentable fate, starting with her disasterous involvement with a companion (Christina Ricci), who was not worth the emotional involvement. Theron is barely recognizable here, playing a weather-beaten woman who snapped after a life of indignities. She gives a marvelous performance which helps to elevate the whole proceedings and makes this into a good, sobering character study.

Kinsey (2004) -- Definitely a film that is very frank sexually, this deals with the sex researcher (played by Liam Neeson) who shocked the nation in the 50s, his wife (Laura Linney), and his assistant/lover (Peter Saarsgaard). As it stands, the film is provocative, but pedestrian, and very one-note in execution. It's just dull, more like a big screen version of an undistinguished HBO film.

Syriana (2005) -- pointed critique of the state of affairs in the Middle East and with the government at the time of its release, this particular film has seemingly all but been forgotten, even with an acting win for George Clooney. The film is extremely well cast, it is intelligently made, but the complex story remains hard to completely decipher.

I'm Not There (2007) -- arty and pretentious, this was an attempt to make an unconventional biopic of Bob Dylan, switching between black and white and color and with six different people playing Bob. It looks fine, but the treatment is surface level, leading the film to resemble a glossy poster rather than an actual probing study.

The Messenger (2009) -- Begins rather strong as a look at two men who have the task of having to inform others that their loved ones have died in battle, but as the film goes on, it kind of drifts away. Still, the acting is strong, especially from Woody Harrellson and Samantha Morton.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 4:13 pm
by CinemaInternational
Lorna, few notes.

1. Your comments on Amy Irving and Kelly McGillis made me laugh a lot (in fact I am laughing as I write this sentence). The film with Conti and McGillis is on YouTube if you want to take a look (and I think you would agree with me about the ending, and by gallows humor, I literally mean it. Sorry for the spoiler, but that's the way it is). The video is age-restricted though, so you'll have to have an account to log in to see it.

2. I guess you are right about the 5-nominee years, with 1979 (Kramer Vs. Kramer, All That Jazz, Norma Rae, Breaking Away, Apocalypse Now) being the exception to the rulr. But it just seems that since 2009, they have served up some truly ghastly nominations that make the faltering nominees of years past look good by comparison.

3. Crash is a dreadful film, but I'm not entirely sure that it lost BP on result of the lack of lubricant. Some voters at the time refused to watch it, and well, Focus Features, the production company, has shown themselves time and again to be maladroit in winning Best Picture (the company has been around since 2002, they have had at least one pony in the picture competition in 14 different races, and they haven't won once.)

4. Shadow of the Vampire, fair enough. No film is for everyone and I'm sorry for bringing back bad memories by mentioning it. Be assured though that the man who directed it has only made one film since, and it was slated.

5. The woman who directed Boys Don't Cry has only made two films since: the Iraq War film Stop-Loss and a panned remake of Steven King's Carrie. I recall that the former played TCM a year or two ago, and there she was dropping f-words in a TCM intro in discussion with Alicia Malone (I think). It made a statement.

6. Yeah, Sexy Beast was too much style, but then again, that seems to be the director's mainstay. He certainly carved out a niche in provocative cinema though for being only one of four filmmakers who got a subliminally fast shot of a full-on erection into a film that wasn't rated X/NC-17. He also was just Oscar nominated for directing the alarming sounding The Zone of Interes (a film concerning the banality of evil, focusing on the callous family of a Nazi commandant in charge of executions at Auschwitz.)

7. Yes, James Whitmore is always a good actor. I wish he had appeared in more. He certainly outshone his material as Harry Truman.

8. I never read the book of Lovely Bones but it's not surprising if the book was lacking then the movie would be too. The acting was really much better than the rest deserved. I don't know what was worse: the CGI next life or the sloppy final sequences which careened in 7 different mood swings in 15 to 20 minutes. But yes, it lost a lot of money and received more than its share of brickbats from movie critics, where its critical score of 31% is one of the lowest of all time for a film up for a major Oscar.

8. As for A Single Man, I normally would not have said anything about the casting director, but the whole film, for not having a single sexual encounter onscreen, the film is extremely horny. I mean, what other reason is there then in a story of suicidal depression for Nicolas Hoult to show off his nude rear in two different scenes or for a side photograph of Matthew Goode that shows off his pubic hair, or the six closely bunched close-ups of a sweaty male tennis players abdomen and nipples, or the salivating quality of the close-up of the male gigolo's pouting lips as cigarette smoke suggestively billows out. I mean if I didn't know better, this whole film could have been directed by Betsy Faye as it's basically this song of desire for the male physique.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 4:17 pm
by HoldenIsHere
kingrat wrote: March 24th, 2024, 12:20 pm
I've always liked Anne Hathaway's performance in Brokeback Mountain. Here's this spunky gal so full of life when we first see her, and then we see her drained of life because of what her marriage has been. I don't like the scene where the guys meet and Jake Gyllenhaal poses gay-bar style against his car in a seductive pose. Gene Shalit got roasted for calling this a seduction scene, but that is what we see on screen. An awkward sense of attraction seems to me what the story calls for. If Gyllenhaal has the experience to pose this way, what is he doing in rural Wyoming? It's out of character.

I also agree about the lube. If a film doesn't want to get into the mechanics of who does what to whom, fine, but if it does, then a little more realism is called for.
Here's how the character played by Jake Gyllenhaal in BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN is described in the short story by Annie Proulx from which Ang Lee's movie was adapted:

At first glance Jack seemed fair enough, with his curly hair and quick laugh, but for a small man he carried some weight in the haunch and his smile disclosed buckteeth, not pronounced enough to let him eat popcorn out of the neck of a jug, but noticeable.

For a mainstream movie (or maybe even for a non-mainstream gay romantic movie), I guess someone who looked like Jake Gyllenhaal was deemed to be necessary.

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Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 24th, 2024, 4:22 pm
by Masha
Lorna wrote: March 24th, 2024, 2:12 pm if a film is set anytime in ENGLAND ca. 1800-1940 and features A DRAWING ROOM, then I'm in- (bonus points for A CONSERVATORY)
Might I suggest:
The Last of Mrs. Cheyney (1929)
The Last of Mrs. Cheyney (1937)
Murder by Rope (1936)
The Phantom of Crestwood (1932)
It is also that most: Philo Vance and: Bulldog Drummond movies are basically drawing room comedies with frills added.
Lorna wrote: March 24th, 2024, 2:12 pm [...]
according to wikipedia, this thing DEBUTED IN SOVIET RUSSIA IN 1945 (????!!!!!)
The play was anti-capitalist and anti-class. It was important at this time for: A. Tairov to stage productions which adhered to soviet beliefs as he and his theatre had been labeled bourgeois. This significantly hurt his professional and financial positions and it limited severely his access to materials and personnel necessary to stage plays. I believe that the play did not aid his standing greatly because I believe that the theatre presented its last major offering the following year.

It has been many years since I have watched any of the movie versions of the play and I doubt that I have watched the play herself since the 1960s. It is due to this that I can offer no insights into which of the movie versions followed the play closely. It would not have been a great leap to add a bit of Marxist ideology as the basic play portrays bourgeois capitalists as leeches and predators.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 8:03 am
by Lorna
CinemaInternational wrote: March 24th, 2024, 4:13 pm Lorna, few notes.

ME IN RED (and GIFS)- LHF


1. Your comments on... Kelly McGillis made me laugh a lot (in fact I am laughing as I write this sentence).

and yet, no other actress has managed to have more chemistry working opposite TOM CRUISE (or any chemistry at all, for that matter) make of that what you will...

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4. Shadow of the Vampire, fair enough. No film is for everyone and I'm sorry for bringing back bad memories by mentioning it. Be assured though that the man who directed it has only made one film since, and it was slated.

eh, no problems. when i lived in LA, I mentioned how much I disliked this movie to someone in the industry and they mentioned that they knew the writer and he DESPISED the director. I am thrilled to hear he has not worked mostly again thank God there is some justice in this world. the film really does have SUCH POTENTIAL though- even if they had gone into MEL BROOKS TERRITORY, but it refuses to mine for COMEDY (EVEN BLACK COMEDY) when there is GOLD ALL AROUND. Still, I do love the scene where WILLEM DEFOE takes pity on COUNT DRACULA and imagines how humiliating it must have been for him to have to entertain a human in his castle- it's deep and it gets into something that lies beneath the STOKER NOVEL. And then, as I recall it, he bites the head off a bat.


5. The woman who directed Boys Don't Cry has only made two films since: the Iraq War film Stop-Loss and a panned remake of Steven King's Carrie. I recall that the former played TCM a year or two ago, and there she was dropping f-words in a TCM intro in discussion with Alicia Malone (I think). It made a statement.

Oh my Lord, and that statement was "I WAS RAISED IN A CAGE." That CARRIE remake was AAAAAWFUL BTW.

6. Yeah, Sexy Beast was too much style, but then again, that seems to be the director's mainstay. He certainly carved out a niche in provocative cinema though for being only one of four filmmakers who got a subliminally fast shot of a full-on erection into a film that wasn't rated X/NC-17. He also was just Oscar nominated for directing the alarming sounding The Zone of Interest (a film concerning the banality of evil, focusing on the callous family of a Nazi commandant in charge of executions at Auschwitz.)

INTERESTING! I actually watched the trailer for ZONE OF INTEREST and it looked REALLY INTERESTING- it hit a lot of notes with me. I looked into watching it, but it was only available to buy for $20

8. I never read the book of Lovely Bones but it's not surprising if the book was lacking then the movie would be too.

my main issue with book, and i remember this very clearly even though I read it over a decade ago, is that the family is hyper-idealized, they seem almost like some kind of NPR LISTENER'S FEVER DREAM of the perfect family and it's a little too much.

8. As for A Single Man.... the six closely bunched close-ups of a sweaty male tennis players abdomen and nipples, or the salivating quality of the close-up of the male gigolo's pouting lips as cigarette smoke suggestively billows out. I mean if I didn't know better, this whole film could have been directed by Betsy Faye as it's basically this song of desire for the male physique.

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Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 8:24 am
by TikiSoo
CinemaInternational wrote: March 24th, 2024, 2:12 pm Another bleak round of dealing with the Oscars, and with the glum 2000s, and with uncomfortable issues such as Nazis, concentration camps, cloning, serial killers, warfare, govermental corruption, and sundry other issues.

I wish I could give this post 2 thumbs up.

Your writing is succinct with thoughtful observations that tell me EXACTLY what I need to know before choosing whether to see it since
I agree 100% with what you've written of movies I have seen.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 8:32 am
by Detective Jim McLeod
CinemaInternational wrote: March 24th, 2024, 2:12 pm

The Boys from Brazil (1978) -- Ick. Pulpy story imagines that the infamous Dr. Mengele (Gregory Peck, uncomfortably cast) was making dozens of exact genetic clones of Hitler, as Nazi hunter Lawrence Olivier tries to track him down and untangle all the disturbing secrets. The film is a tawdry mess, in extremely bad taste, and the film is artless in its staging.



American History X (1998) -- Just what the world didn't need: a film about Neo-Nazis. Edward Norton plays a former skinhead who gets out of prison to find that his brother is drifting into the same poisonous beliefs. He then tries to save his brother, to no affect, as the film doubles back for black-and-white flashbacks of Norton's own days of hate. Performances are fine, but the film is loathsome and a waste of time.

The Boys from Brazil has quite a bit of problems. Gregory Peck is badly miscast and Laurence Olivier struggles with his accent. There are some unintentional laughs mostly from the John Dehner character who has some hilariously bad dialogue like "I guess you want to know why I didn't wet my pants when you called" One of the teenage Hitler clones tells Peck "Man, you're weirrrrd"

American History X is brutal and powerful with excellent performances, though I don't think I would ever watch it again.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 10:03 am
by Hibi
CinemaInternational wrote: March 22nd, 2024, 2:55 pm
kingrat wrote: March 22nd, 2024, 1:05 am Since we've been posting lists of 1981 films in CinemaInternational's thread, I've had occasion to recall, from the deepest repressed memories, Tarzan the Ape Man (1981), starring Miles O'Keeffe. If you've seen the movie, and God bless you if you have, you may recall that he doesn't speak. According to acquaintances who said they had seen and heard him in the bars in New York, he had a high-pitched voice that seemed to contradict his manly physique.

If you check out his list of acting credits on imdb, the average ratings are hilariously low, with the exception of--wait for it, you know what it has to be--an episode of--what else????--MURDER SHE WROTE.
I have been fortunately been spared the spectacle of Tarzan, the Ape Man with Bo Derek, but the film is legendarily horrid. I recall Leonard Maltin's movie guide candidly admitting that it was so bad that it nearly forced the editors of the book to create a rating lower than BOMB. As a matter of bleak record, when the film showed up on TCM a couple of months ago, it stayed in the cable company's on demand section for a whole month.....


I loooked up the episode of Murder She Wrote that O'Keefe was in.... that episode was something.... Season 9's "The Sound of Murder" where Jessica investigates a death at a music recording studio where the dead body turns up in the middle of shooting a music video. It's one of the few episodes of the show that my father hated..... And the music video in the episode is the epitome of cheesiness; but then again that was to be expected because for some reason, they decided to hire the choreographer whose very bad dance designs helped to make the otherwise surprisingly strong Cop Rock (alright some of the lyrics were bad, but the show was well-written and acted) into a TV laughing stock for the ages in 1990.
I disliked those episodes that tried to make Jessica "hip" and "with it" by putting her in situations like this episode.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 10:23 am
by Hibi
Lorna wrote: March 24th, 2024, 1:18 pm
kingrat wrote: March 24th, 2024, 12:20 pm I also agree about the lube. If a film doesn't want to get into the mechanics of who does what to whom, fine, but if it does, then a little more realism is called for.
If they'd used lube, it would've won BEST PICTURE.

(Those of you still mad about CRASH all these years later- think about it.)

LMREO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well the book had the same type of ending so if they'd changed it, they'd have probably been criticized for it. I think in the book it's more left up in the air as to what happened (I read the book after seeing the movie)

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 10:53 am
by Hibi
Lorna wrote: March 23rd, 2024, 2:29 pm I came across a real obscurity on AMAZON PRIME, "A GREEN JOURNEY" aka THE LOVE SHE SOUGHT.

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it appears to be a TV MOVIE from 1990, we all know I love ANGIE, but I also love DENHOLM ELLIOT, so I gave it a watch and found myself pretty into it, even though there are issues.


ANGELA LANSBURY plays a deeply committed, stern, SPINSTER-b****-GODDESS MIDWESTERN CATHOLIC SCHOOL TEACHER (without a whit of accent and NO PRODUCT IN HER HAIR!!!!)- very much the sort of role EDNA MAE OLIVER or MARIE DRESSLER or HELEN WESTLEY would have done for RKO/MGM back in 1933. She takes in a pregnant teen played by CYNTHIA NIXON (!!!!!!)- also without a hint of accent, but looking very charming and pretty good in her part. The film at this point seems like it is going to be episodic rather like ANNE OF GREEN GABLES, but no- we leap ahead four years and LANSBURY is on her way to IRELAND on a CATHOLIC SCHOOL TRIP- while there, she plans on meeting up with a LONG TIME PEN PAL PLAYED WONDERFULLY by DENHOLM ELLIOT in the strange fleeting moments of screen time he gets (i DON'T wanna spoil anything, but his character has a secret and is something of a queer (in the classic sense of the term) duck, ELLIOT is of course perfect for the part.) The real "romantic lead" by default becomes ROBERT PROSKY (also without a Midwestern accent) who costars as THE WORLD'S CHILLEST CATHOLIC BISHOP.

(SERIOUSLY, he gives "COOL POPE" a run for his money, it's...weird.)

The movie is clearly a rushed affair- in better hands and with a better script, something interesting could have happened, and while it was filmed partly (and cheaply) in the UNITED STATES (I think BURBANK stands in for MINNESOTA), it was also filmed on location IN IRELAND and I would like at this point to say that I have been to IRELAND and it is ONE OF THE LOVELIEST, IF NOT THE LOVELIEST PLACE I HAVE EVER SEEN.

You would not know it from this movie, it's GENUINELY IRELAND, i can tell, but it's like the LOCATION SCOUT was a MANIC DEPRESSIVE- they film in some of the most KUBRICKIAN and HIDEOUS LOCATIONS IN THIS AND I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY.

AGAIN, this was obviously a rushed affair and it was helmed by JOSEPH SARGENT- three years after JAWS THE REVENGE- so he was no stranger to rushed affairs.

the end credits to this thing are SO CHEAP.

LANSBURY does get TWO BIG EMOTIONAL SCENES, which I know was the point of her doing TV MOVIES (I have a strong suspicion that WORD CAME DOWN FROM ON HIGH over at CBS that JESSICA FLETCHER was NOT ALLOWED to EMOTE on MSW- it must'vde been confining for a performer of LANSBURY'S talent and range and even though she ACES both her BIG CRYING SCENES, they are not worked into the plot organically AT ALL and they stand out as more FOR YOUR CONSIDERATION than anything else.

it's still an interesting hour and a half, and it's on AMAZON PRIME and for some weird reason there were NO COMMERCIALS!!!!

I thought I'd seen all of Angela's tv movies, but I missed this one. I wonder if it ran on another network besides the Big 3??

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 11:00 am
by Lorna
Hibi wrote: March 25th, 2024, 10:53 am
I thought I'd seen all of Angela's tv movies, but I missed this one. I wonder if it ran on another network besides the Big 3??
it's SO OBSCURE it doesn't even have A WIKIPEDIA ENTRY!!!!
I have NO IDEA what network it ran on or if it did.

dunno if it's available anywhere else but PRIME.

Re: I Just Watched...

Posted: March 25th, 2024, 11:06 am
by Lorna
Masha wrote: March 24th, 2024, 4:22 pm
The play was anti-capitalist and anti-class. It was important at this time for: A. Tairov to stage productions which adhered to soviet beliefs as he and his theatre had been labeled bourgeois. This significantly hurt his professional and financial positions and it limited severely his access to materials and personnel necessary to stage plays. I believe that the play did not aid his standing greatly because I believe that the theatre presented its last major offering the following year.

It has been many years since I have watched any of the movie versions of the play and I doubt that I have watched the play herself since the 1960s. It is due to this that I can offer no insights into which of the movie versions followed the play closely. It would not have been a great leap to add a bit of Marxist ideology as the basic play portrays bourgeois capitalists as leeches and predators.

A SENTIMENT WITH WHICH I FIND LITTLE FAULT, it's just the messaging that turns me off.


One thing that irritates me about my fellow LEFTIES is the sanctimonious, preachy, didactic and or pretentious tone THAT SOME of their messaging (be it fiction or other mediums) takes...AN INSPECTOR CALLS has that, but it also has a real MUSTACHE-TWIRLING SATURDAY MATINEE BADDIE style that comes just short of using PUPPETS to WHACK YOU OVER THE HEAD with WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT (ALFIE.)

THANK YOU for all that info on THE RUSSIAN STAGE PRODUCTION though- pretty fascinating

I was surprised to see that a version of AN INSPECTOR CALLS came out recentlyish (2015)


i'm not mad at THE STACHE:

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ALSO ALSO, THERE IS A GRAPHIC NOVEL VERSION!!!

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