TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
I'm tempted to be coy and drop one hint at a time but I'll just come clean right away. That's Vera Clouzot. I've had
a filmgoer's crush on her for a while, especially when she's wearing pigtails. Ooh la la. I doubt she'd be an instantly
recognizable face to many film buffs. Of course she did play a non-mass murderer, though a somewhat reluctant
one, in Les Diaboliques. I've seen every film that Vera made......all three of them.
a filmgoer's crush on her for a while, especially when she's wearing pigtails. Ooh la la. I doubt she'd be an instantly
recognizable face to many film buffs. Of course she did play a non-mass murderer, though a somewhat reluctant
one, in Les Diaboliques. I've seen every film that Vera made......all three of them.
Every man has a right to an umbrella.~Dostoyevsky
- HoldenIsHere
- Posts: 894
- Joined: October 22nd, 2022, 7:07 pm
- Location: The Notorious H.n.J.
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
While I wouldn't go as far as to equate BREAKFAST AT TIFFANY'S with dog vomit, I do think it is one of those movies that has been placed undeservedly on a pedestal by movie fans, largely because of the iconic imagery of Audrey Hepburn as Holly Goliightly (the high chignon hairstyle, the Givenchy dress and hat, the sunglasses) and her undeniable charm. It is a Hollywood movie with a sappy Hollywood ending: Holly finds the cat and she and the male lead romantically embrace in the rain as "Moon River" plays. But in Truman Capote's source novella, the cat is not found, and there is no romantic ending (the narrator -- Holly's male writer friend --- is understood to be Truman Capote).LawrenceA wrote: ↑March 6th, 2023, 1:31 amNah, I think Rooney's performance in that was the cherry on top of the whole bowl of dog vomit. Rooney doesn't get full blame, though, as the writer and director, one would assume, had some say over what was said and done by the hired actor. I've always found the movie lousy, and Rooney's shtick the worst part of it.CinemaInternational wrote: ↑March 5th, 2023, 10:32 pm I saw Breakfast at Tiffany's for the umpteenth time the other night when it was on, and I ditched the film immediately after it ended, because I was certain that Ben's words after the film would be another rerun of how racist and terrible Mickey Rooney's performance as Mr. Yunioshi was. Newsflash: It was always that way. It never was good, it was always odd and irritating, and for society to allow a lousy performance that only has three minutes of screentime in an otherwise excellent film that has 106 minutes without him derail the entire reputation of the rest of a sterling classic is absolute poppycock. None of us need to be lectured over something we have known for a long time.
You're right that it's wrong to blame Mickey Rooney the most for the caricatured portrayal of the Japanese character. The blame rests mostly with director Blake Edwards, the movie’s producers and the executives at Paramount. How did no one not see this performance was offensive long before the movie was released to the general audience???!!!
I think Robert Osborne said it best when he called it "a racial slur" and "totally embarrassing" during a Q&A session during one of the TCM Classic Cruises. (He also, like Truman Capote, thought Audrey Hepburn was miscast as Holly.)
- nakanosunplaza
- Posts: 228
- Joined: December 6th, 2022, 5:25 pm
- Location: MONTREAL
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
I recognized her right away, she was married to the great French director Henri Georges Clouzot.He starred her in his film Les Diaboliques, eerily like her character in this film she had a heart condition ,she died from a heart attack in her mid forties,her few films were all Clouzot's.Andree wrote: ↑March 6th, 2023, 8:35 pm I'm tempted to be coy and drop one hint at a time but I'll just come clean right away. That's Vera Clouzot. I've had
a filmgoer's crush on her for a while, especially when she's wearing pigtails. Ooh la la. I doubt she'd be an instantly
recognizable face to many film buffs. Of course she did play a non-mass murderer, though a somewhat reluctant
one, in Les Diaboliques. I've seen every film that Vera made......all three of them.
- HoldenIsHere
- Posts: 894
- Joined: October 22nd, 2022, 7:07 pm
- Location: The Notorious H.n.J.
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
Lawrence, all three of your points were excellent, but I'm singling out the first one because I was trying to think of an equivalent to "it's a great movie except for this one part" and the restaurant example that you came up with was perfect!LawrenceA wrote: ↑March 6th, 2023, 3:29 pm I have a few other thoughts on the subject:
1) The usual defense of films like Breakfast at Tiffany's and their "brief offensiveness" is, to me, like someone saying they went to a nice restaurant, where the food was very well prepared, the ambience and décor were pleasing, and the staff were nice, and, oh yeah, at one point one of the staff, with the express permission and endorsement of the management, dropped his trousers and took a dump on a table. Now, it wasn't my table, so I didn't let it ruin what was an otherwise fantastic dining experience.
Some people don't care for restaurants where anyone's table gets crapped on, even if it's not their own, and even if the rest of the meal was great.
The one I came up was when someone says something like "So-and-so is a great candidate for public office. Yes, he's an-Semite, but that just one thing."
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
nakanosunplaza wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 9:24 am
I recognized her right away, she was married to the great French director Henri Georges Clouzot.He starred her in his film Les Diaboliques, eerily like her character in this film she had a heart condition ,she died from a heart attack in her mid forties,her few films were all Clouzot's.
I guess if you only have three film credits, those are a good trio. Les Espions used to be on YT, probably not anymore.
It's okay, a little reminiscent of Beat the Devil in some aspects, though I don't think it's as good as the other two.
Vera did die much too young.
Every man has a right to an umbrella.~Dostoyevsky
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
The Mr. Yunioshi character was in the book, but he was not a running gag like in the movie. Not sure how he was portrayed in Alexrod's script, but the broad slapstick portrayal is on par with Blake Edward's other comedies. He wasn't exactly a wit. I'm not sure it's fair to blame Mickey Rooney. Obviously the director wanted it played that way or it wouldnt have been in the film.
- EP Millstone
- Posts: 1048
- Joined: October 20th, 2022, 9:40 am
- Location: The Western Hemisphere
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
If there was a Nobel Peace Prize emoji, I'd award it to both of you!HoldenIsHere wrote: ↑March 7th, 2023, 3:06 pmLawrence, all three of your points were excellent, but I'm singling out the first one because I was trying to think of an equivalent to "it's a great movie except for this one part" and the restaurant example that you came up with was perfect!LawrenceA wrote: ↑March 6th, 2023, 3:29 pm I have a few other thoughts on the subject:
1) The usual defense of films like Breakfast at Tiffany's and their "brief offensiveness" is, to me, like someone saying they went to a nice restaurant, where the food was very well prepared, the ambience and décor were pleasing, and the staff were nice, and, oh yeah, at one point one of the staff, with the express permission and endorsement of the management, dropped his trousers and took a dump on a table. Now, it wasn't my table, so I didn't let it ruin what was an otherwise fantastic dining experience.
Some people don't care for restaurants where anyone's table gets crapped on, even if it's not their own, and even if the rest of the meal was great.
The one I came up was when someone says something like "So-and-so is a great candidate for public office. Yes, he's an-Semite, but that just one thing."
Bravo! Kudos! And Hear, Hear!
"Start every day off with a smile and get it over with." -- W.C. Fields
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
I guess this comment should go in the "Really..." thread, but since the film came up here, I have to admit I've never seen Breakfast at Tiffanys. I've seen glimpses of it, but never more than a few minutes, for no particular reason. I generally love movies shot in New York City, so it's kind of strange that I've never seen it.
-
- Posts: 1
- Joined: March 8th, 2023, 3:42 am
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
A little late to the party but I just found out the TCM forum is completely gone today. I had no idea the forum closed back in November. While I wasn’t actively participating all the time, I loved lurking and reading all the discussion threads. I used to look up old threads from 15 years before to see how people thought of old actors and TCM programming from that golden era. I’m currently going through a weird grieving process since I wasn’t really warned and I never had a chance to say goodbye to the regulars. After finding this forum from Reddit, I’m thankful to see some familiar usernames and see that some of the community has migrated here for the time being. First the forum and now the Underground. Do you guys think they’re eventually going to do away with TCM altogether at some point? I don’t know what I would do without that channel as it’s been my everything for the last several years. Anyway, long story short, I’m the Mary Pickford and Debbie Reynolds “expert” from the TCM forum so I’m looking forward to continuing to contribute in this new community.
- Intrepid37
- Posts: 870
- Joined: March 5th, 2023, 5:05 pm
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
I understand very well what you mean by "weird grieving process". I just found out a couple of days back and the feeling I had after I did kept getting heavier and heavier as minutes passed.
I'd never really used Facebook before for anything at all - but the feelings I was having sent me searching for where the daily posters might have gone.
And here I now find myself. And I feel better now.
I'd never really used Facebook before for anything at all - but the feelings I was having sent me searching for where the daily posters might have gone.
And here I now find myself. And I feel better now.
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
The forum has been archived at archive.com, minus the Off-Topic section, which has been wiped out completely. One cannot post anymore but it's open for browsing and copying. A consolation that will be more and more appreciated as time goes by.Intrepid37 wrote: ↑March 8th, 2023, 5:13 am I understand very well what you mean by "weird grieving process". I just found out a couple of days back and the feeling I had after I did kept getting heavier and heavier as minutes passed.
I'd never really used Facebook before for anything at all - but the feelings I was having sent me searching for where the daily posters might have gone.
And here I now find myself. And I feel better now.
The Shining Hour (1938)
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
Back to the trigger warnings topic for a moment: I'm off to London Tuesday morning. Here are two warnings that are fairly specific, for plays I have tickets for. Both were in emails sent to me by the theaters.
For Medea, with Sophie Okonedo (not exactly a content trigger warning):
"Please Note: We kindly request that you do not bring nuts into the venue due to severe airborne allergies in our cast. Thank you for your cooperation."
For A Little Life, directed by Ivo van Hove and starring James Norton:
We want to make you aware that this production includes strong language, nudity, sexual violence, physical and emotional abuse, self-harm, and suicide.
These themes are not just suggested but will be portrayed throughout the production realistically and emotively which some viewers may find upsetting. It is intended for mature audiences and viewer discretion is advised.
For useful support resources on these themes, please visit the production’s Content Warning & Resources webpage by clicking the link below:
https://alittlelifeplay.com/content-warnings/
For Medea, with Sophie Okonedo (not exactly a content trigger warning):
"Please Note: We kindly request that you do not bring nuts into the venue due to severe airborne allergies in our cast. Thank you for your cooperation."
For A Little Life, directed by Ivo van Hove and starring James Norton:
We want to make you aware that this production includes strong language, nudity, sexual violence, physical and emotional abuse, self-harm, and suicide.
These themes are not just suggested but will be portrayed throughout the production realistically and emotively which some viewers may find upsetting. It is intended for mature audiences and viewer discretion is advised.
For useful support resources on these themes, please visit the production’s Content Warning & Resources webpage by clicking the link below:
https://alittlelifeplay.com/content-warnings/
- EP Millstone
- Posts: 1048
- Joined: October 20th, 2022, 9:40 am
- Location: The Western Hemisphere
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
Are theatregoers in London allowed to eat during theatrical performances?!
Never been to London. I haven't been to live theatre stateside in years, so perhaps "theatre etiquette" has changed. But, I never attended a live theatrical performance in which the audience could eat snacks (or drink beverages).
"Start every day off with a smile and get it over with." -- W.C. Fields
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
A few people eat candy, on both sides of the Atlantic, but it's the minority. Both city's audiences also now carry drinks to their seats both before the first act and at intermission. In London, it's common for people to buy ice cream at intermission. They even sell them in the aisles so you don't have to visit the bar.EP Millstone wrote: ↑March 12th, 2023, 2:02 pm
Are theatregoers in London allowed to eat during theatrical performances?!
Never been to London. I haven't been to live theatre stateside in years, so perhaps "theatre etiquette" has changed. But, I never attended a live theatrical performance in which the audience could eat snacks (or drink beverages).
- HoldenIsHere
- Posts: 894
- Joined: October 22nd, 2022, 7:07 pm
- Location: The Notorious H.n.J.
Re: TCM announces it is sunsetting the TCM Forums
Yes, snacks and beverages are sold at live theaters in New York (I've never seen a play in London), but I find it disrespectful for audience members to eat and drink during a live theatrical performance. I agree with Patti LuPone that we've "forgotten our public manners." People are self-absorbed enough without the theaters encouraging it ---- selling ice cream in the aisles!!!txfilmfan wrote: ↑March 12th, 2023, 2:17 pmA few people eat candy, on both sides of the Atlantic, but it's the minority. Both city's audiences also now carry drinks to their seats both before the first act and at intermission. In London, it's common for people to buy ice cream at intermission. They even sell them in the aisles so you don't have to visit the bar.EP Millstone wrote: ↑March 12th, 2023, 2:02 pm
Are theatregoers in London allowed to eat during theatrical performances?!
Never been to London. I haven't been to live theatre stateside in years, so perhaps "theatre etiquette" has changed. But, I never attended a live theatrical performance in which the audience could eat snacks (or drink beverages).
In 2015, a couple weeks after Patti LuPone famously snatched a cell phone from an audience member who was texting during a performance of a play that LuPone was in, she gave her "5 Rules of Theater Etiquette" to THE WALL STREET JOURNAL:
#1: R-E-S-P-E-C-T
Be aware of your theatergoing neighbor. In front of you, behind you, to your right, and left. Treat them with respect, unless you’re sitting next to a loudmouthed idiot.
#2: Power Down
Turn off all electronic devices, and watch the play instead.
#3: Have Dinner Beforehand
Refrain from eating and drinking in your seat. The majestic old ladies that are Broadway’s great theaters deserve your respect. The theater isn’t your kitchen. There is always intermission to imbibe.
#4: Use Judgment
Don’t feel obligated to give everything you see a standing ovation.
#5: Prepare For Bliss
Come to the theater with the expectation of being transported. Isn’t that why you bought the ticket?