Comparing Awards Associations

[dianedebuda]

Nominees and winners not seen by me 1944-1970:

Let me guess: you're not fond of musicals judging from the number of them on your not seen list.

[skimpole]

Nominees and winners not seen by me 1944-1970:

Let me guess: you're not fond of musicals judging from the number of them on your not seen list.

I wouldn't say that. Some of the musicals never show up on TCM (like Damn Yankees). Others have little critical weight behind them (they don't appear on best movies lists, get oscar nominations, are made by major directors.)

So far, the Globes are an underwhelming lot. The inspired nominations are few and far between, even with twice as many opportunities. There's James Mason's nomination for Lolita, when there were a preposterous 16 best actor nominations. There's Some Like it Hot's wins for best comedy and best comedic actor. There's the best musical/comedy actor win for Singin' in the Rain--but they gave it to Donald O'Connor. And they nominated Flight of the Phoenix for best drama.

[dianedebuda]

You have a problem with Flight of the Phoenix for best drama? Seems right to me. Or Some Like It Hot for best comedy? Often appears as #1 all time comedy on many lists. You favor Kelly over O'Connor in Singing in the Rain I'd guess? Guess our taste in movies is quite different.

I was just surprised with the number of unseen films on the GG list that I rate as good compared to your other lists. Was just mildly curious if there was a common denominator of why. No biggie.

[skimpole]

You have a problem with Flight of the Phoenix for best drama? Seems right to me. Or Some Like It Hot for best comedy? Often appears as #1 all time comedy on many lists. You favor Kelly over O'Connor in Singing in the Rain I'd guess? Guess our taste in movies is quite different.

I was just surprised with the number of unseen films on the GG list that I rate as good compared to your other lists. Was just mildly curious if there was a common denominator of why. No biggie.

I thought it was clear that those were the exceptions to the general mediocrity of the Globes' choices.

[dianedebuda]

I thought it was clear that those were the exceptions to the general mediocrity of the Globes' choices.

Gotcha. Guess I didn't read it that way, but see how you meant it now.

I've totally ignored the award stuff for so long that it's kind of interesting to see your comparisons now.

[skimpole]

Now let's look at the Golden Globes from 1971 to 2000:

GG choices clearly better than the Academy: Born on the fourth of July (89), Sense and Sensibility (95), Saving Private Ryan (98),

GG choices clearly worse than the Academy: The Exorcist/American Graffiti (73), The Goodbye Girl (77), Bugsy (91), Scent of a Woman (92),

[LawrenceA]

GG choices clearly worse than the Academy: The Exorcist/American Graffiti (73)

Are you saying The Exorcist is a worse choice than The Sting for Best Picture?

[skimpole]

GG choices clearly worse than the Academy: The Exorcist/American Graffiti (73)

Are you saying The Exorcist is a worse choice than The Sting for Best Picture?

Yes.

[LawrenceA]

Yes.

Total disagreement, then. I've always regarded The Sting as one of the worst best picture winners.

[skimpole]

Nominees and winners not seen in the Globes 1971-2000 choices? (This doesn't include Academy nominees I haven't seen.)

1971

Plaza Suite
The Million Dollar Duck (nominee Actor)
Such Good Friends (nominee Actress)
Play Misty for Me (nominee Actress)
Star Spangled Girl (nominee Actress)

1972

Man of La Mancha (nominee Actor)
One is a Lonely Number (nominee Actress)
Play it as it Lays (nominee Actress)

1973

Electra Glide in Blue (nominee Actor)
Ash Wednesday (nominee Actress)
Charley and the Moon (nominee Actress)
40 Carats (nominee Actress)

1974

The Gambler (nominee actor)
Mame (nominee Actress)

1975

Funny Lady
French Connection II (nominee actor)
Lucky Lady (nominee Actress)

1976

The Ritz
Silent Movie
The Incredible Sarah (nominee Actress)
The Sailor who fell from Grace from the Sea (nominee Actress)
A Star is Born (winner Actress)
The Duchess and the Dirtwater Fox (nominee Actress)

1977

I Never Promised you a Rose Garden
Macarthur (nominee Actor)
Heroes (nominee Actor)
Smokey and the Bandit (nominee Actress)

1978

Movie Movie
Stevie (nominee Actress)

1979

The Champ (nominee Actor)
Love at First Bite (nominee Actor)
Yanks (nominee Actress)

1980

Fame
The Idolmaker
Touched by Love (nominee Actress)

1981

Zoot Suit
Taps (nominee Actor)
Zorro, the Gay Blade (nominee Actor)
First monday in October (nominee Actor)
Raggedy Man (nominee Actress)
Continental Divide (nominee Actress)

1982

The Best Little Whorehouse in Texas
Kiss me Goodbye (nominee Actress)
Best Friends (nominee Actress)
Annie (nominee Actress)

1983

Trading Places
The Grey Fox (nominee Actor)
Heart Like a Wheel (nominee Actress)
Flashdance (nominee Actress)
The Pirates of Penzance (nominee Actress)

1984

Micki + Maude
Moscow on the Hudson (nominee Actor)
Mrs. Soffel (nominee Actress)
Country (nominee Actress)
The River (nominee Actress)
Garbo Talks (nominee Actress)
Irreconcilable Differences (nominee Actress)

1985

A Chorus Line
Mask (nominee Actress)
Maxie (nominee Actress)

1986

Crimes of the Heart
Down and Out in Beverly Hills
Little Shop of Horrors
The Mosquito Coast (nominee Actor)
Crocodile Dundee (winner Actor)
Duet for One (nominee Actress)
'night mother (nominee Actress)
Extremities (nominee Actress)

1987

Baby Boom
Cry Freedom
Dirty Dancing
La Bamba
Nuts
Weeds (nominee Actor)
Outrageous Fortune (nominee Actress)

1988

Madame Sousatzka (winner Actress)
Crossing Delancey (nominee Actress)

1989

The War of the Roses
Dad (nominee Actor)
Sea of Love (nominee Actor)
The Rose Garden (nominee Actress)
She-Devil (nominee Actress)

1990

Green Card (winner)
Home Alone
White Palace (nominee Actress)

1991

Fried Green Tomatoes
Switch (nominee Actress)
Frankie and Johnny (nominee Actress)

1992

Honeymoon in Vegas
Used People (nominee Actor)
Basic Instinct (nominee Actress)

1993

The Snapper (nominee Actor)
A Dangerous Woman (nominee Actress)

1994

Pret a Porter
Junior (nominee Actor)
Mrs. Parker and the Vicious Circle (nominee Actress)
The River Wild (nominee Actress)
Speechless (nominee Actress)
Guarding Tess (nominee Actress)

1995

The American President (nominee Actor)
Father of the Bride, Part II (nominee Actor)
To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar (nominee Actor)
A Month by the Lake (nominee Actress)

1996

Tin Cup (nominee Actor)
The Nutty Professor (nominee Actor)
101 Dalmatians (nominee Actress)
Mother (nominee Actress)

1997

A Thousand Acres (nominee Actress)
Selena (nominee Actress)

1998

Bulworth
The Horse Whisperer
Patch Adams
Still Crazy
Little Voice (winner Oscar)
You've got mail (nominee Actress)

1999

Man on the Moon
A Map of the World (nominee Actress)
Notting Hill (nominee Actress)
The Muse (nominee Actress)

2000

What Women Want (nominee Actor)
Saving Grace (nominee Actress)

[skimpole]

Looking at part two of the Golden Globes, are there any good choices, aside from the better winners I already suggested? Well, there's the nomination for Days of Heaven for 1978. Both Manhattan and Being There were nominated in 1979 (oddly enough the former was nominated for Best Drama). The Cotton Club got a best drama nomination for 1984, and so did Reversal of Fortune in 1990. At least the comedy/musical section remembered Airplane!, Pennies from Heaven, A Fish Called Wanda and Toy Story 2 They also nominated Peter Sellers (three times) as Jacques Cousteau and gave him a globe for Being There. Still it means less when you have ten nominations instead of five. Though to be fair, they did nominate "New York, New York" for best song, something the Academy managed to miss.

[skimpole]

And now for the Globes 2001-2022

GG choices clearly better than the Academy: Brokeback Mountain [05], The Social Network [10], The Grand Budapest Hotel [14], The Revenant [15], The Power of the Dog [21]

GG choices slightly better than the Academy: The Aviator [04]

GG choices clearly worse than the Academy: Atonement [07]

GG choices not seen: Walk the Line [05], The Banshees of Inisherin [22]

[skimpole]

Nominees and winners I haven't seen from the Globes 2001-2022 (not counting academy award nominations I haven't seen)

2001

Legally Blonde
The Shipping News (nominee Actor)
Kate and Leopold (nominee Actor)
Hedwig and the Angry Inch (nominee Actor)
Bandits (nominee Actor)
The Deep End (nominee Actress)

2002

About a Boy
Igby goes Down (nominee Actor)
Secretary (nominee Actress)
The Banger Sisters (nominee Actress)

2003

Big Fish
Bad Santa (nominee Actor)
Veronica Guerin (nominee Actress)
Girl with a Pearl Earring (nominee Actress)
Under the Tuscan Sun (nominee Actress)
Calendar Girls (nominee Actress)

2004

The Sea Inside (nominee Actor)
De-Lovely (nominee Actor)
Beyond the Sea (nominee Actor)
A Love Song for Bobby Long (nominee Actress)

2005

The Producers
The Matador (nominee Actor)
Breakfast on Pluto (nominee Actor)
Proof (nominee Actress)
Memoirs of a Geisha (nominee Actress)
The Family Stone (nominee Actress)

2006

Bobby
Thank you for Smoking
Kinky Boots (nominee Actor)
Sherrybaby (nominee Actress)
Running with Scissors (nominee Actress)
Miss Potter (nominee Actress)

2007

The Great Debaters
Across the Universe
Hairspray
Lars and the Real Girl (nominee Actor)
Walk Hard: the Dewey Cox Story (nominee Actor)
The Brave One (nominee Actress)
Enchanted (nominee Actress)

2008

Pineapple express (nominee Actor)
Last Chance Harvey (nominee Actor)
I've loved you so long (nominee Actress)
Mamma Mia! (nominee Actress)

2009

It's Complicated
Brothers (nominee Actor)
The Proposal (nominee Actress)

2010

Alice in Wonderland
Burlesque
Red
The Tourist
Love and Other Drugs (nominee Actor)
Casino Jack (nominee Actor)
Frankie & Alice (nominee Actress)
Easy A (nominee Actress)

2011

The Ides of March
50/50
Shame (nominee Actor)
The Guard (nominee Actor)
Crazy Stupid Love (nominee Actor)
Young Adult (nominee Actress)

2012

The Best Exotic Marigold Hotel
Salmon Fishing in Yemen
Abritrage (nominee Actor)
The Sessions (nominee Actor)
Bernie (nominee Actor)
Hyde Park on the Hudson (nominee Actor)
Rust and Bone (nominee Actress)
Quartet (nominee Actress)
Hope Springs (nominee Actress)

2013

Rush
Mandela: Long Walk to Freedom (nominee Actor)
Labor Day (nominee Actress)
Enough Said (nominee Actress)

2014

Pride
St. Vincent
Cake (nominee Actress)
The Hundred-Foot Journey (nominee Actress)
Annie (nominee Actress)

2015

Concussion (nominee Actor)
Danny Collins (nominee Actor)
Infinitely Polar Beat (nominee Actor)
The Lady in the Van (nominee Actress)
Grandma (nominee Actress)

2016

Deadpool
Sing Street
War Dogs (nominee Actor)
Miss Sloane (nominee Actress)
Rules Don't Apply (nominee Actress)
The Edge of Seventeen (nominee Actress)

2017

Battle of the Sexes (nominee Actor)
Victoria & Abdul (nominee Actress)
The Leisure Seeker (nominee Actress)

2018

Boy Erased (nominee Actor)
Stan & Ollie (nominee Actor)
A Private War (nominee Actress)
Tully (nominee Actress)

2019

Dolemite is my Name
Rocketman
Where'd you go Bernadette (nominee Actress)
Late Night (nominee Actress)

2020

Hamilton
Music
The Prom
I care a lot (nominee Actress)
French Exit (nominee Actress)
Emma (nominee Actress)

2021

Cyrano
Swan Song (nominee Actor)
Cruella (nominee Actress)

2022

The Son (nominee Actor)
The Inspection (nominee Actor)
White Noise (nominee Actor)
The Menu (nominee Actor)
Empire of Light (nominee Actress)
Mrs. Harris goes to Paris (nominee Actress)
Good Luck to you, Leo Grande (nominee Actress)

[Feinberg]

In too many instances this is like comparing one bad meal with another.

[skimpole]

Any other good choices from the Globes in this period, keeping in mind that they have 10 nominations instead of 5? Well Mulholland Drive got nominated for best Drama in 2001. So did A History of Violence in 2005. Finding Nemo got nominated for best comedy in 2003 and Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind got nominated in 2004. Gene Hackman won for The Royal Tenenbaums in 2001, and Adam Sandler was nominated for Punch Drunk Love in 2002. Nicole Kidman got nominated for The Others in 2001 and Thora Birch was nominated for Ghost World the same year.