The Raven (1935)

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The Raven (1935)

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The Raven (1935) - MeTV (Svengoolie)

w/ Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi, Lester Matthews, Irene Ware, Samuel S. Hinds, Spencer Charters, Inez Courtney, Ian Wolfe and Maidel Turner. Screenplay by David Boehm. And directed by Lew Landers (Louis Friedlander).

I am such a creature of habit. I've seen this movie multiple times. Most recently just two months ago when I decided to start off the Halloween season watching some of the earlier movies covered in the second edition of Universal Horrors by Tom Weaver, Michael Brunas and John Brunas; this one being the 17th overall in that book.

And yet I watched it again last night. Go figure.

So, I might as well take advantage of that fact by repeating here what I once wrote about this movie on the TCM forum...

Boris Karloff and Bela Lugosi appeared in eight movies together. My best to worst ranking of the six movies of theirs that I have seen (Gift of Gab (1934) and You'll Find Out (1940) are the two that I haven't) is as follows:

The Black Cat (1934)
Son of Frankenstein (1939)
The Body Snatcher (1945)
The Invisible Ray (1936)
The Raven (1935)
Black Friday (1940)

Black Friday immediately falls to the bottom of my list because Bela Lugosi as a gangster does not work for me at all and destroys that suspension of disbelief which is a must for these types of movies.

The Raven is second from the bottom of my list because it is, for the most part, a lesser replay of the previous year's The Black Cat. The heroine is injured in a motor vehicle accident. Which puts her in the position of becoming the obsession of the lead villain. Who happens to own a house which is more than meets the eye. And, since the heroine's love interest is so ineffectual, the heroine is ultimately saved by the lead villain's associate in the end. An associate who just happened to have had an opportunity to knock off the lead villain earlier but didn't take it. Heck, both movies even had people swap bedrooms. Hard to believe that Universal was running out of fresh ideas for the horror genre so early in the game.

But the primary point of comparison between these two movies is with respect to the two leads.

As the lead villain in The Black Cat, Boris Karloff's Hjalmar Poelzig is pure evil as a Satanist who is in control of himself and his situation until the end. Although mad by our standards, there is a method to his madness. As the lead villain in The Raven, however, Bela Lugosi's Dr. Richard Vollin is just another scientist who is mad for the sake of being mad. Obviously, Mr. Lugosi was getting a jumpstart on the characters that he would portray for Monogram in the 1940s.

As the lead villain's associate in The Black Cat, Bela Lugosi's Dr. Vitus Werdergast is an off-kilter delight who is the equal of Poelzig. Although the reason that Werdergast allows himself and his servant to obey Poelzig is never made clear, his hatred for Poelzig is old and deep and well defined. And Werdergast's caring for the heroine is not only tied into that hatred, but that caring has a romantic aspect to it even though it is clear that Werdergast will not step over any boundaries in that regard. As the lead villain's associate in The Raven, however, Boris Karloff's Edmond Bateman is just an escaped hoodlum and a true subordinate whose hatred of the lead villain is, all pun intended, superficial. Just about anyone with the right physical build could have portrayed Bateman. On the plus side, though, Mr. Karloff does get to reuse his patented Frankenstein's monster growl in this one.
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Regarding Black Friday, Stanley Ridges steals the movie from both Boris and Bela.

You might be aware that originally Karloff was cast in the role ultimately played by Ridges and Lugosi was to play "Dr. Ernest Sovac." Screenwriter Curt Siodmak wrote the role of Sovac for Lugosi. But, according to Siodmak, Karloff didn't have confidence in playing a Jekyll and Hyde character and "demanded" that he play Sovac. Instead of switching the roles of the two Titans of Terror, Ridges was cast as Professor Kingsley/Red Cannon . . . leaving "Poor Bela" kicked to the curb as the minor character gangster Eric Marney.
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The Raven is second from the bottom of my list because it is, for the most part, a lesser replay of the previous year's The Black Cat. The heroine is injured in a motor vehicle accident. Which puts her in the position of becoming the obsession of the lead villain. Who happens to own a house which is more than meets the eye. And, since the heroine's love interest is so ineffectual, the heroine is ultimately saved by the lead villain's associate in the end. An associate who just happened to have had an opportunity to knock off the lead villain earlier but didn't take it. Heck, both movies even had people swap bedrooms. Hard to believe that Universal was running out of fresh ideas for the horror genre so early in the game.

But there are two moments that are actually quite touching,both between Karloff(as Bateman) and Irene Ware (as Jean,a very good performance)

Bateman had his face disfigured by mad doctor Vollin (Lugosi) and Jean at first screams at the sight of Bateman. Vollin later makes up a story saying Bateman can't help the way he looks,since he was tortured during the great war.
Jean than goes to Bateman and apologizes,leaving him surprised and moved by this act of kindness.

Later,she pleads with Bateman to help her escape,but he explains Vollin was the one who did that to his face and will fix it for him. In another nice moment she says "he's mad! He won't help you, I'll help you!" You really believe her in that scene and so does Bateman, since he cannot bear to see Jean murdered and he saves her in the end.

What do you think of these scenes?
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Detective Jim McLeod wrote: December 5th, 2022, 9:00 am .

The Raven is second from the bottom of my list because it is, for the most part, a lesser replay of the previous year's The Black Cat. The heroine is injured in a motor vehicle accident. Which puts her in the position of becoming the obsession of the lead villain. Who happens to own a house which is more than meets the eye. And, since the heroine's love interest is so ineffectual, the heroine is ultimately saved by the lead villain's associate in the end. An associate who just happened to have had an opportunity to knock off the lead villain earlier but didn't take it. Heck, both movies even had people swap bedrooms. Hard to believe that Universal was running out of fresh ideas for the horror genre so early in the game.

But there are two moments that are actually quite touching,both between Karloff(as Bateman) and Irene Ware (as Jean,a very good performance)

Bateman had his face disfigured by mad doctor Vollin (Lugosi) and Jean at first screams at the sight of Bateman. Vollin later makes up a story saying Bateman can't help the way he looks,since he was tortured during the great war.
Jean than goes to Bateman and apologizes,leaving him surprised and moved by this act of kindness.

Later,she pleads with Bateman to help her escape,but he explains Vollin was the one who did that to his face and will fix it for him. In another nice moment she says "he's mad! He won't help you, I'll help you!" You really believe her in that scene and so does Bateman, since he cannot bear to see Jean murdered and he saves her in the end.

What do you think of these scenes?
In my opinion, Boris Karloff does a fine job as Edmond Bateman in those scenes and others. But at this point of his career, this character is beneath his abilities. Matter of fact, I feel the same way about his portrayal of the monster in Son of Frankenstein (1939). But, even so, Mr. Karloff and Bela Lugosi and these movies are still watchable. And are still enjoyable.
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