Re: FORT APACHE
Posted: July 25th, 2011, 5:42 pm
The 'tribute' was for the good of the morale of the Calvary itself, not for the individual commander.
thank you, Mr.M!movieman1957 wrote:It's always worth having you post something here.
rules are certainly needed and necessarily obeyed to maintain order---and ultimately furnish some degree of protection, for military personnel. men like thursday, of course, carry it too far.One of the things I've always liked about "Ft. Apache" is the dealing with protocol and the rules. They create some humor and some stress but all for a reason. I believe the reasons are much bigger than just being courteous but more to the duties of a soldier and following rules. They are not to be questioned.
it's one of my favorite scenes in all westerns. i think it one of ward bond's finest moments. he really shames thursday, but not in a disrespectful way. rather the contrary, he points out in a direct and fine way how disrespectful and out of bounds his commanding officer was.That whole scene between Fonda and Bond about barging into the house and the argument that follows is such a smart scene. Bond lowers the boom without ever losing the respect of the officer or a hint of temper. Fonda feels the sting. It is well played.
how well i know that feeling! some times i can't watch something "on the fly" when i know it yields most of its richness only when you can sit down and really dedicate all your attention. it makes me crazy, ha. but i literally could NOT turn the channel, i got so sucked in and involved in the scenes that were just really setting things up, they were not yet the climactic ones coming later. now i know why the later scenes have so much tension, they were really building slowly with moments shared which created a real bond for the audience with the characters. we came to be a part of their world and know and care for them. that's why their end is so painful to see...JackFavell wrote:
I only watched a little bit of the movie today, I was in and out, partly because I was busy and partly because I was too keyed up, finding a Francis Ford movie with similar themes on youtube, called The Invaders. By sheer coincidence, I watched it right before Fort Apache came on. I became almost too agitated to watch Fort Apache, knowing too that Alice would be coming home from school before the end of the film and I'd be a mess if I tried to watch through to the end. So I didn't watch, but now I wish I had so it would be fresh in my memory. I may watch it tomorrow now so I can watch for these points!
yes, too late. he seems the kind who only learns when it is too late.And Thursday of course realizes it. But too late.
ha! i feel like we in the audience are learning to navigate the customs and protocols just as phil does. in a way, the domestic aspect in the first part of the movie is told through her point of view, a woman's point of view. so once again, women are hardly sideline characters in a ford film.She got mixed messages from him and now she's made a fool for thinking he came to see her. Which he did.
hi ann---i can't claim any gifts of insight, it's just the magic of this particular film that it always seems to yield up some littl detail that adds something important to the overall story and themes. i didn't think i could possibly find anything more to notice! it's a remarkable piece of film making.mrsl wrote:.
Miss Goddess and Miss Favell:
How I would love to have your gifts of insight ! ! ! You see so much more than I do. I have my own directors cut (if you can call it that),of Fort Apache and watch it often, but still I never miss it when it is on TCM or any other channel that may show it. I adore that movie ! ! !
In all seriousness... ;) A lot.I'm looking forward to Fort Apache. That is such a beautiful film. How many times are you finding Ben doublin'? :D
I have looked very closely for Ben in that scene more than once and cannot find him. Maybe he's somewhere in the background.I think he might be one of the riders in the newbies scene who falls off the rearing horse. I am sure you will no for certain.