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[u][color=#FF0000]KING[/color][/u] [u][color=#FF0000]RAT[/color][/u] wrote:8. GILDA – The casino scenes show that noir can be brightly lit at times. I love the twisted triangle. It’s hard to resist Rita Hayworth in “Put the Blame on Mame.” Glenn Ford and George Macready both said that they played their characters as having a homosexual relationship, and this seems to be a master/slave situation if you pay careful attention to Ford’s acting. He feels he belongs to Macready, who saved him from being killed.
I always thought it. I always felt it. But I never knew Ford and Macready admitted to playing it that way. ( Stephen Boyd: "Ben Hur." ) I wonder if 1946 audience's picked that up. Great movie.

By the end of 1949 we'll have each talked about 100 films. Whew! :shock:
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Subtext is everything, isn't it.

I haven't seen the Merle Oberon movie in about 548 years. Wow! So glad you enjoyed "...Uncle Harry." I'll be looking for your write-up on it. ( I love Ella Raines. )

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Hmmm....I need to rewatch it myself now.
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Noir lovers should definitely check out Born to Kill at reelsf.com. He's practically reconstructed the entire film in his locations views.
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[quote="CineMaven"]Subtext is everything, isn't it.

I haven't seen the Merle Oberon movie in about 548 years. Wow! So glad you enjoyed "...Uncle Harry." I'll be looking for your write-up on it. ( I love Ella Raines. )

When asked for her secret of old age, Luise Rainer replied "Stay away from doctors". I wonder what your secret is?
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Last night I started putting together my 1947 list. Although my Top 10 is different than KR's, we certainly agree on this:
What 1947 does have is film noir, lots of good ones, and to leave so many favorite noirs off the top ten list just seems wrong.
I started my list as usual - putting the definite Top 10s at the top of a piece of paper and the contenders at the bottom. Soon I had so many I stopped writing them down unless I knew they going to be in my Top 10. Wonderful year.

1947

1. MONSIEUR VERDOUX (Charles Chaplin) - Over the years this has been creeping upward on my list of Chaplin favorites until now it is my favorite. His darkest and least sentimental movie. And his most moral.
2. OUT OF THE PAST (Jacques Tourneur) - Not my favorite noir and not my favorite Tourneur. But even in a year with several A-list noirs, its power cannot be denied.
3. THE PRETENDER (W. Lee Wilder) - My favorite of all movies directed by a Wilder. The presence of John Alton doesn't hurt.
4. PURSUED (Raoul Walsh) - Exhibit A in establishing that there are Western noirs. And a shout-out to James Wong Howe.
5. FEAR IN THE NIGHT (Maxwell Shane) - The movie that best captures the fear and dread of Cornell Woolrich.
6. THE DEVIL THUMBS A RIDE (Felix Feist) - Lawrence Tierney stars. Guess who the Devil is.
7. RIDE THE PINK HORSE (Robert Montgomery) - Mr. Montgomery directed and starred in another movie this year. This is the hands-down winner. Assist to Russell Metty.
8. BRUTE FORCE (Jules Dassin) - You know you're in trouble when Hume Cronyn gets to be the brute. And was Whit Bissell ever better?
9. T-MEN (Anthony Mann) - Desperate men in agony (oh...it's an Anthony Mann movie). More favorites to come in a year from my favorite director-cinematographer team, Mann & Alton.
10. THE FUGITIVE (John Ford) - Looky...a Ford film! Oh, well. See how open-minded I can be.

Honorable Mentions (limited myself to 10): CROSSFIRE (Edward Dmytryk); DARK PASSAGE (Delmer Daves); DEAD RECKONING (John Cromwell); A DOUBLE LIFE (George Cukor); FRAMED (Richard Wallace); THE GANGSTER (Gordon Wiles); THE GUILTY (John Reinhardt); NIGHTMARE ALLEY (Edmund Goulding); THE RED HOUSE (Delmer Daves); WOMAN ON THE BEACH (Jean Renoir)

P.S. I'm quasi-violating my protocol in assigning year of consideration for a movie. SECRET BEYOND THE DOOR (Fritz Lang) showed on December 29, 1947, at a Hollywood trade show; it had its general release on January 1, 1948. I'll consider it a 1948 movie. THE LADY FROM SHANGHAI (Orson Welles) was released in France in 1947, but in the U.S. in 1948. Orson Welles - American. There are always special rules (or, is it that there are no rules?) when it comes to Welles. 1948 it is.
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...I haven't seen the Merle Oberon movie ( "DARK WATERS" ) in about 548 years...
[u][color=#0040FF]Fossy[/color][/u] wrote:When asked for her secret of old age, Luise Rainer replied “Stay away from doctors”. I wonder what your secret is?
Well as my great great great ancestor Ponce de Leon discovered, the Fountain of Youth for me is:

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[color=#8000BF][u]ChiO[/u][/color] wrote:2. OUT OF THE PAST (Jacques Tourneur) - Not my favorite noir and not my favorite Tourneur. But even in a year with several A-list noirs, its power cannot be denied.
ChiO what is your favorite Noir and your favorite Tourneur? Ooooh, I love your dark choices. And Lawrence Tierney is as dark and dangerous and Satanic as a lover of noir can get. Lucky we see him do his thing from the safety of our couch.

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Why Brother Rat...some of the choices on your list show me you're a Romantic at heart.

"BLACK NARCISSUS" - Talk about a female version of a gunfight. There was a glorious face-off between Kerr and Byron as they sit across each other; one in her white nun's habit, the other defrocking and glamming herself up. A table between them, with a bible on one side, and a stick of lipstick on the other. The heat in the movie is palpable with the object of their affection being the ferally handsome David Farrar.

"DEEP VALLEY" - I must revisit this movie. I remember changing my mind about Dane Clark and just loving the feeling of this movie. ( Oooh, I can add Clark to the LISTS list. ) The film made my heart yearn and ache. Ida, soft and sweet and yearning.

"NIGHTMARE ALLEY" - Mmmm, this movie is delicious. Can you imagine Helen Walker up against George Sanders in a movie? Why the celluloid would fairly shred through the projector. My mouth waters at the prospect.

"NIGHT SONG" - You are true to your convictions. You introduced me to that film, and for that I will forever be grateful. You recommended this movie to me almost two years ago when you accepted my “challenge” to name ten romantic films for me:
[u][color=#4000BF]KING[/color][/u] [u][color=#4000BF]RAT[/color][/u] [color=#4000BF]on 6/7/2012[/color] wrote:In NIGHT SONG Merle Oberon pretends to be blind to get closer to a blind composer and pianist (Dana Andrews). Sounds awful, doesn't it? John Cromwell, who did such a good job with THE ENCHANTED COTTAGE, does it again here. Music is extemely important in this film.
( “High Barbaree” also made your Romantic list as I see this current iteration of lists. ) I now have a girl crush on Ethel Barrymore thanks to this movie. For any one here remotely interested, you can see a discussion of "Night Song" here.

"OUT OF THE PAST" - Resistance is futile. Dickie Moore's character with a crush on Mitchum? Ha! Dude, you do bring 'em out of the closet.

"THE PRIVATE AFFAIRS OF BEL AMI" - I know the "Dear Boy" is one of JackaAay's favorites. You've intrigued me with your mention of the two women who cross paths with George Sanders. I should see the movie before
I re-read your post from last year.
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CM asked:
ChiO what is your favorite Noir and your favorite Tourneur? Ooooh, I love your dark choices. And Lawrence Tierney is as dark and dangerous and Satanic as a lover of noir can get. Lucky we see him do his thing from the safety of our couch.
Favorite Noir: KISS ME DEADLY
Favorite Tourneur: STARS IN MY CROWN
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Thanx for the answer ChiO.

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[u][color=#FF0000]KING RAT[/color][/u] wrote:Because everyone seems to enjoy making lists of favorites, why don't we devote a thread just to that...
Looking at the past seven years of my favorites for this thread...I see I have a dark streak; that, in general, I like dark noirish things. And this year is no different. I’ve seen forty films this year, the most of any year I’ve listed. Many of the films I love are classics held in high esteem nearly seventy years later and I see some of my favorites on King Rat’s list and on ChiO’s. It was tough to pick just ten. Well now that the menfolk have answered, I'll weigh in with my ten favorite films of 1947 with a couple of actors who make repeat performances on my list:

“CROSSFIRE”

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Robert Ryan, Robert Mitchum and Robert Young

An anti-Semitic soldier kills a man and the police and fellow soldiers are after him. Ryan is chilling, Mitchum is cool and Young is understated as the men linked by this crime. We watch the dragnet close in around Ryan. There’s gloriously gloria Gloria Grahame as a dance hall girl who actually longs to be the Girl a soldier would come home to. Also Jacqueline White gives a good showing as the wife of that soldier. Dark and grim. Just like I like it. Oh Bobby Bobby Bobby ( Ryan ) you don't make it easy for a girl to love ya. There's nothing noble and patriotic about his soldier. He's a killer in uniform. I'm not sure we've seen Johnny come marching home like this. Funny thing is, I think he went IN like that.
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“DARK PASSAGE”

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Humphrey Bogart and Agnes Moorehead

Why am I rooting for an escaped convict from San Quentin. Because it’s Bogart that’s why. He’s got an angel on his side in Lauren Bacall, who believes he’s innocent of killing his wife. She helps him get a new face and a new life. The only thing he can’t get around is his wife’s friend, Madge ( played venomously by Agnes Moorehead. ) She’s the fly in the ointment and I love the trouble she stirs. Bogie and Bacall are also at it again. Just a good drama.
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“GENTLEMEN’S AGREEMENT”

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Gregory Peck

It’s one of those “IMPORTANT” pictures that were made in the 40’s that tackles an American injustice: this time, anti-Semitism. Gregory Peck’s sincerity is on display which I always find appealing. ( His duel-in-the-sun-bad-boy portrayal touches a different nerve. ) Here he fights the good fight from the Inside; he’ll say he’s Jewish and write an article about this insidious “-ism.” He has two women to contend with who are in love him. One’s a career girl, in favor of his way to fight this. The other, a Society girl, who may not even recognize her own tacit prejudices. Very well done. And not preachy.
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“THE HUCKSTERS”

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Clark Gable and Sydney Greenstreet

I can’t explain why I like this movie so much. It’s so easy to watch ( like "A Letter to Three Wives" ) and feels a little modern in its concept of advertising and selling “soap” to the American public. You know very well we can be sold anything. Do you compromise your principles for the Almighty Buck. There’s a new girl in town, the lovely classy Deborah Kerr. ( You can read a new thread dedicated to her here. ) And then there’s Ava, who loses out again in the love department. The movie’s just put together so well. I love Keenan Wynn and Edward Arnold in this as well.

FAVORITE MOMENTS:

* Bungalow scene with Keenan Wynn & his bad jokes
* Gable apologizing to Edward Arnold

We have Gable as only Gable can Gable and I wouldn't have Gable any other way.
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“KISS OF DEATH”

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Brian Donlevy, Richard Widmark and Victor Mature

One of my favorite times liking Brian Donlevy - an on the level cop. This is a great noir drama. Richard Widmark makes an auspicious debut. I don't know if his 'dese' 'dems' and 'dose' are authentic, but he is definitely a new kinda crazy. ( Old ladies in wheel chairs are not safe around him. ) But my boy is tried and true hunk: Victor Mature. I liked him last year as the cowboy Doc Holiday. Here, I love him with his girlfriend and two adorable daughters. And I love him in the dark night thick of things. In his fedora and wide lapelled suits. He's not all testosteroned bravery. He's tender and loving, but can be tough. ( Isn't that the perfect combo in a man we want girls? ) He wants to go straight and has to help catch a psychopath. Love how it all plays out. Love watching Victor Mature.
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“THE MACOMBER AFFAIR”

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Robert Preston, Joan Bennett and Gregory Peck

My history with Joan Bennett had been sketchy at best until I saw this at TCM’s film festival. Then she soared through the roof in the rank of actresses I like. What an interesting movie about a marriage. It’s one thing to fall out of love with your spouse; but when you lose respect for him...well, he might as well get mauled by a lion; better that than face the contempt of Joan Bennett. It’s so nice to have a great white hunter to turn to, and that’s Gregory Peck who walks a fine line between checking out Bennett, and helping Robert Preston regain his self esteem. And let me give a shout-out to Jean Gillie who gives a great performance in a very small role. The above photo spells it all out. And as usual, the woman pays. The movie just amazed me.
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“NIGHTMARE ALLEY”

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Tyrone Power

Black. Dark. Cynical. The worst of what humanity has to offer. Taking advantage of people. We see the rise and fall of Tyrone Power in what’s considered the best performance of his career. He’s no nice guy here. He’s manipulative and does what he has to to get what he wants. He’s hard as steel. And tripped up by his own grab for power.

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There’s three women in his life represented by the blowsy maturity of Joan Blondell, the youthful innocence of the very pretty Coleen Gray and the blonde ice of Helen Walker. It’s Power’s scenes opposite Walker that make the movie for me. And Taylor Holmes’ break down. The movie is dark and compelling. I can't look away.
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“NORA PRENTISS”

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Kent Smith and Ann Sheridan

I like Ann Sheridan. I see a maturity in her as Nora Prentiss. She’s not a smart alec or brassy, makin’ with the wisecracks. She’s fallen for a nice guy; doctor ( Kent Smith ) who’s too weak to make a clean break with his wife, and steals a dead man’s identity. Here’s an affair gone wrong and spirals into something not so good. I like the drama and the turn it takes. But mostly...I like Ann Sheridan.
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“OUT OF THE PAST”

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Jane Greer and Robert Mitchum

The best film noir ever made. ( Hey...it’s my list. ) Mitchum has to find the woman who’s shot and stolen from Kirk Douglas. He runs into her in the form of femme fatale Jane Greer, who builds his gallows high. Mitchum follows her deep into noir because, baby, he don’t care. So there’s double crosses, fist fights, broken hearts, the pitter patter of Rhonda Fleming's heavy breathing, and murder. Did I mention it is the best film noir ever made? Yeah.
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So many others could have filled the tenth spot for 1947. “Brute Force” “The Bachelor and the Bobby Soxer” “The Paradine Case” “T-Men” “Woman On the Beach.” But I can really sit down with my last film a lot easier and more often.

“THE UNFAITHFUL”

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Lew Ayres, Ann Sheridan and Zachary Scott

There's nothing compelling or heart-stopping. And I know I know...it’s sort of a re-make of “The Letter” played out differently. But that’s okay. Ann Sheridan’s in a jam, being blackmailed for an affair she's had while her husband ( Zachary Scott ) served in the war. It gets lonely under that apple tree and I like that that is addressed. It’s a mature drama that’s not tied up in a neat little bow. Besides, I like Ann Sheridan. That's not enough reason to make it a favorite? :)
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...I haven't seen the Merle Oberon movie ( "DARK WATERS" ) in about 548 years...

Fossy wrote:When asked for her secret of old age, Luise Rainer replied “Stay away from doctors”. I wonder what your secret is?

Well as my great great great ancestor Ponce de Leon discovered, the Fountain of Youth for me is:

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Oh Lordy, my head is swimming after catching up from my vantage point in 1942....

Wow, I can't tell you how much I've enjoyed reading all your lists and descriptions. I doubt I can catch up but I'll at least try to get through 1943 soon. Keep up the great work guys.
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