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[TikiSoo]

this goes to show that the notion that “words can never hurt us” is false. Words can hurt and have been used to hurt and mock.
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I admit that I prefer “queer” to LGBT as an umbrella term. I actually find the alphabet soup offensive.
Queer, on the other hand, connotes uniqueness in a positive way, at least to me it does.
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I’m fairly confident that the people who started that trend chose “gay” because of its association with people with same-sex romantic attractions not because of the original “happy” meaning of the word.

Wow thanks for succinctly verbalizing your opinion about those various terms. I never thought about it before, but it’s my opinion too.

I won’t use the alphabet soup term because it’s clinical & lumps everyone together. If it means “everyone” why even have a word?
I HATED when kids would say “that’s so gay” as if it was an insult. I’d roll my eyes & think 'you don’t even know what you’re saying”.

[kingrat]

Holden, I think it's fair to say that some older gay men still find the word "queer" extremely offensive if applied to them. The assumption that "queer" is an acceptable substitute for, say, "LGBT," is ageist, in my opinion.

I have asked other people what the "new improved" meaning of "queer" is, but everyone else seems as mystified as I am. A few years ago a new city council member mentioned twelve times in a brief article that she was a "queer woman." In context, this seemed to mean either "a lesbian who's too cool for school" or "a bisexual whose **** doesn't stink." That may not be the official meaning, however.

kingrat, this goes to show that the notion that “words can never hurt us” is false. Words can hurt and have been used to hurt and mock. I like the idea of taking power away from those who have used the word “queer” to demean people and make them feel “less than” so I do use it as a neutral self-identifier. But I know that some people have a hard time separating “queer” from its history as a weaponized pejorative so I would never use it in the presence of someone if I’m aware they can’t accept the neutral meaning.

I admit that I prefer “queer” to LGBT as an umbrella term. I actually find the alphabet soup offensive. To me LGBT sounds like a disease or a syndrome and has the same clinical connotation as “homosexual.” Queer, on the other hand, connotes uniqueness in a positive way, at least to me it does.

Growing up in the 1990s, “gay” actually had more negative associations than “queer.” In elementary school and junior high, “gay” was used to mean “lame.” So, if you called something “gay” (as in “That’s so gay!”), it meant it was dumb or pathetic. I’m sure most kids who used the word in that way didn’t connect it to “sexual orientation,” but someone (or multiple someones) consciously decided to start using “gay” as a term for something that was “not cool.” I’m fairly confident that the people who started that trend chose “gay” because of its association with people with same-sex romantic attractions not because of the original “happy” meaning of the word. As a kid, I never heard “queer” used as an insult in real-life although I heard it a lot in mainstream movies from the 1980s, where it was presented as okay for the “good guys” to use “queer” (as well as “fag”) as a pejorative. The term “new queer cinema” was coined by critic B. Ruby Rich (who’s the current editor of FILM QUARTERLY) in the 1990s with “queer” used unapologetically as a positive term for the movies that she considered part of that movement.

Thanks, Holden. Much of this is generational. I have no problem with the word "homosexual" because I have no problem with the related terms "heterosexual" and "bisexual." "Gay" spread through the mainstream public largely because of newspaper headlines: it takes up so much less space.

To use loathsome twenty-first century academese (forgive me, Lord), "queer" is a term that "privileges" the false narrative that same-sex attraction is somehow odd or curious or unusual rather than something commonplace. That was Lorna's point, too.

You're absolutely right that when movies had a new freedom of expression (late 60s, 70s, etc.), one of the first manifestations was the use of derogatory terms for gays and lesbians.

[TikiSoo]

Based upon conversation here, I borrowed THE BEST OF EVERYTHING 1959 from the library and watched it the other night. Whew-still catching my breath!

I really like catty melodrama, MILDRED PIERCE and BOLD & BEAUTIFUL are two of my favorites. This movie falls in the category but with absolutely NO redeeming qualities except as a comedy of tropes.

This is a story of a young 20ish girl taking a job in a high power NYC Publishing Company, trying not to be swallowed alive since her boss is a mature Joan Crawford! She takes an apartment with two other office girls so we get to see how their lives are ruined by every man they come in contact with.

This movie contains EVERY trope about how men take advantage of women and I have to believe it’s their punishment for attempting to be independent working girls instead of marrying/having babies right out of High School.

Each man that comes into their lives treats them like a piece of meat and none of them see it coming, so are completely devastated:
• The lecherous older Executive who thinks it’s OK to kiss/touch/anything he can to innocent ingenues. Everyone KNOWS he’s like that & everyone looks the other way.
• The steady bf who is separated by job/distance. Instead of waiting for her, hastily marries a more “available” girl and breaks up by phone call.
• The Director of hit plays who “dates” the aspiring actress who tragically believes he loves her for her outstanding acting talents.
• The charming guy who coerces a very innocent/gullible girl into believing she is his “only” one, gets her pregnant. She believes he’s picking her up to marry her when he’s really taking her for an abortion.

All with Queen Bee-otch Joan Crawford as the cruelest of bosses. She’s so mean & over-the-top you can’t help laugh at her outrageous demands, thinking you’ve worked for people like that before-although none of it would be acceptable in today’s business world. Ah, we have come so far.

This movie seems to be a “primer” for any young girl who was brought up in a safe, nurturing environment with zero knowledge of how boys/men think. These girls just fall for these guys hook, line & sinker. We’re supposed to be outraged at the predatory male behaviour with no responsibility on the "innocent victimized" women.

Some favorite scenes:

Hope Lang as “mommy” giving Robert Evans the hard slap he deserves for toying with a very young very innocent girl, essentially ruining her-


Ah the fashion! I spotted several fabulous 2 handled vinyl box purses-something I collected in my teens-


The Barrymore type boss-I knew this type early in my career-


Makes you wonder if Louis Jordan was ever annoyed at frequently being typecast as a slimeball!


Kudos to the set designers as well as the costumers!
Notice the costume sketches on the walls in Jordan’s apartment? Also note the “theater" mirror on the right?
I once worked in publishing and the offices were populated by original paintings used for paperback book covers as seen in this movie-very REALISTIC!

[kingrat]

TikiSoo, somewhere on this site is a wonderful and hilarious review of BATTLE CRY, demonstrating that the young men are essentially the girls in THE BEST OF EVERYTHING.

[Allhallowsday]

THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD (1965)



MAX VON SYDOW is the best movie Jesus. The part where SYDNEY POITIER helps him with the cross choked me up.
I wonder though... another magical black person?
I missed my favorite part where SHELLEY WINTERS pops out of the crowd, bounces off Jesus and says: "I'm cured...? I'M CURED!!!" To which I always reply: "No you're not. You're still Shelley Winters."

[Lorna]

THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD (1965)
I missed my favorite part where SHELLEY WINTERS pops out of the crowd, bounces off Jesus and says: "I'm cured...? I'M CURED!!!" To which I always reply: "No you're not. You're still Shelley Winters."

(seriously, i read that at 5:00 am this morning and I am STILL laughing.)

[Lorna]

Based upon conversation here, I borrowed THE BEST OF EVERYTHING 1959 from the library and watched it the other night. Whew-still catching my breath!

Kudos to the set designers as well as the costumers!
Notice the costume sketches on the walls in Jordan’s apartment? Also note the “theater" mirror on the right?
I once worked in publishing and the offices were populated by original paintings used for paperback book covers as seen in this movie-very REALISTIC!

I have a feeling you will also like the TRAILER (probably included on the DVD) about "the girls who DIDN'T marry at 20, and the MEN who WANTED THEM...but NOT for LOVE!!!!"

Also on the DVD they may have some trace of a deleted BIG SCENE for JOAN CRAWFORD that I am SURE she was FURIOUS was CUT, there are brief glimpses of it in the trailer, I swear I saw a moment of the deleted scene- her character AMANDA FARROW is DRUNK and pouring her heart out- and as I recall, she's really good.

[Lorna]

SOMETIMES I LIKE TO HURT MYSELF by watching REALLY MESSED UP HORROR/EROTIC/EXPLOITATION MOVIES. I don't feel like getting into WHY, I just DO. And TUBI, it seems, is a GREAT PLACE FOR ****ED UP ****, this just showed up in my feed this weekend.

it's a 1981 ITALIAN EXPLOITATION HORROR ZOMBIE "NIGHT OF THE LIVING DEAD" ripoff from 1981 called BURIAL GROUND and I SWEAR TO GOD, it is like someone decided to remake the following KIDS IN THE HALL SKIT as a RELENTLESSLY VIOLENT AND SADISTIC FEATURE- but still keep the tone:



it is of course dubbed, and dubbed by people who didn't speak ITALIAN and also didn't care what the original dialogue was (really though, why should they? i kinda doubt from the VISUAL content it was anything soul-stirring) so you get dialogue like "RUN THIS WAY!!!!" when two people are running down a hallway from a ZOMBIE, ie "Thank you for your suggestion, Guissepe, and I appreciate your commitment to our survival, but there's only ONE WAY TO RUN AND WE ARE- IN FACT- ACTIVELY RUNNING IN IT RIGHT NOW, SO I DON'T PARTICULARLY NEED TO HEAR THIS!!!!"

AND MY FAVORITE: "Hey, these zombies seem like they want something INSIDE the house!!! What if it isn't us???" [note: this after said zombies have eaten five people] "maybe we should LET THEM IN, THEY'RE SO SLOW, WE CAN OUTRUN THEM." {which is demonstrably false and as you can imagine, THIS PLAN WHEN ACTED ON (!!!!) DOES NOT GO WELL.}

Two things worth noting, no, wait, THREE THINGS:

1. no one does HANDBAGS, SHOES and EXPLOITATION FILMS like THE ITALIANS. I mean really and truly, the barenaked lack of adherance to any sense of human decency or basic logic gets to be ENDEARING and I seriously mean that. IT IS A charmingly, disarmingly shameless movie

2. it's also noteworthy that THERE ARE NO FALSE SCARES, which is kinda refreshing for a cheap horror movie, everytime a twig snaps or a door is opened THERE IS A GODDAMN ZOMBIE THERE and I kinda enjoy how manipulated this makes the viewer by the end.

3. the zombies in this thing are like WILE E. COYOTE levels of ingenious, and they have better luck then WILE E (granted, their prey are far dumber)- they use TOOLS (even ELECTRIC ONES!), they CLIMB WALLS, they even RUN.

IT'S HARD NOT TO ROOT FOR THEM.

the makeup guy was clearly influenced by DR PHIBES:



AND I DON'T HAVE TIME TO GET INTO THE WEIRD INCESTUOUS "MOTHER AND SON" RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THIS TWO:

[Hibi]

THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD (1965)



MAX VON SYDOW is the best movie Jesus. The part where SYDNEY POITIER helps him with the cross choked me up.
I wonder though... another magical black person?
I missed my favorite part where SHELLEY WINTERS pops out of the crowd, bounces off Jesus and says: "I'm cured...? I'M CURED!!!" To which I always reply: "No you're not. You're still Shelley Winters."

LMREO!!! I didn't have time to watch it yesterday, I only saw part of it. The Star cameos really hurt the film (a massive bomb) imo.

[Feinberg]

THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD (1965)



MAX VON SYDOW is the best movie Jesus. The part where SYDNEY POITIER helps him with the cross choked me up.
I wonder though... another magical black person?
I missed my favorite part where SHELLEY WINTERS pops out of the crowd, bounces off Jesus and says: "I'm cured...? I'M CURED!!!" To which I always reply: "No you're not. You're still Shelley Winters."

If you can find Pauline Kael's review of this it is pretty funny.

[Masha]

SOMETIMES I LIKE TO HURT MYSELF by watching REALLY MESSED UP HORROR/EROTIC/EXPLOITATION MOVIES. I don't feel like getting into WHY, I just DO. And TUBI, it seems, is a GREAT PLACE FOR ****ED UP ****, this just showed up in my feed this weekend.

I find TubiTV to be an excellent source of non-mainstream movies. Among my favorites are:

The VelociPastor (2010) This is a very fun little movie!

The Monster of Camp Sunshine (1964) The horror is mild as there is one only zombie-like being. It is exploitation movie by being set partially in nudist camp.

Attack of the 50-Foot Camgirl (2022) This is not specifically horror but it is an exploitation movie. I found it to be quite fun to see a social media influencer face the consequences of her actions.

[Lorna]

SOMETIMES I LIKE TO HURT MYSELF by watching REALLY MESSED UP HORROR/EROTIC/EXPLOITATION MOVIES. I don't feel like getting into WHY, I just DO. And TUBI, it seems, is a GREAT PLACE FOR ****ED UP ****, this just showed up in my feed this weekend.

I find TubiTV to be an excellent source of non-mainstream movies.

I really only have one beef with TUBI and that is that they're starting to PUSH IT with THE COMMERCIALS
BUT
Their cult film/ horror movie/ animation/ classic tv collections are so good, that I'll let it be FOR NOW.

PS- The 1988 version of THE BLOB, which is a lot better than the original is on TUBI, as is THE RETURN OF COUNT YORGA and THE MONSTER CLUB and the original two seasons of SCOOBY DOO WHERE ARE YOU?

[Lorna]

...I will also note that BURIAL GROUND was SUCH AN INTENSE FILM- a real TRIAL FOR THE MIND AND THE SENSES that for once I was actually okay with the commercial breaks.

i still muted them though.

[CinemaInternational]

A few notes on recently watched things.

I admit I bailed on 2014's Inherent Vice before the end. It just seemed to be a shaggy dog type of story that was serving no sort of purpose except to show the "let-it-all-hang-out" nature of the LA of 1970 in more unflinching detail than any film of that era would have dared to.

Piccadilly Jim (1936) is one of those 30s films with a wispy plot that evaporates after you watch it, but it was delicious fun to watch though, with wonderful dialogue rhythms and spirited acting from Robert Montgomery, Frank Morgan, et all.

Past Lives (2023) was a Best picture nominee this past year. I feel kind of bad saying it because the film is delicate, tender, and frequently charming, but it would have made a better short subject than a full length movie. Even at 98 minutes (before credits), there are an awful lot of pauses for silent breaks and ambient music that does nothing except make you realize that it is overextrended.

The Egyptian (1954) was a bit too stodgy for me, not helped by an incredibly murky print.

Mary Mary (1963) is extremely stagy but Debbie Reynolds and co. put the witty lines over with brio.

Blue Denim (1959) has Brandon De Wilde and Carol Lynley as teens suddenly expecting a baby, which puts a wrench into their plans. The film is astutely observed and generally well-played.

[CinemaInternational]

I accidentally came across a topless photo of Lynley on this website when searching for other times her name was brought up here. That was unexpected.