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speedracer5 wrote: January 13th, 2023, 8:57 pm I watched two new-to-me Fred MacMurray movies recently.

1930s Fred MacMurray was hot.
Not quite the wholesome image from My Three Sons here...

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Black Robe (1991)
Directed by Bruce Beresford
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About 30 years ago I saw this sad but beautiful film. I didn’t see it again until this week. On the grand scale, it’s about the clash of cultures. On the personal level, it's about Father LaForgue (Lothaire Bluteau), a decent, devout Jesuit from a wealthy French family, who goes to New France (Canada) to bring Christ to the Huron people. The year is 1634, a time of conflict between the French and Huron on one side and the Iroquois on the other. The film opens in the settlement of what would become Quebec. Father LaForgue is sent by Samuel de Champlain to a distant village, with his French assistant Daniel (Aden Young) and a few accompanying Huron guides, led by Chomina (August Schellenberg). Along their journey, they meet with great hardships as well as brutality, first from the Montagnais, a tribe whose hostile shaman Mestigoit (Yvan Labelle) calls Laforgue a demon and encourages the Huron guides to abandon him, which many do. An attack by the Iroquois leads to scenes of brutality. LaForgue finally arrives at the distant mission alone, only to find that all but one of the French inhabitants have died, either of violence or smallpox. The leader of the Hurons in that remote region asks LaForgue if he loves them. LaForgue answers yes, remembering the faces of all the Indians he has met. The Hurons, suffering from smallpox, are baptized, and the film ends with a sunrise. A title card states that 15 years later, the Huron, having accepted Christianity, were attacked and killed by the Iroquois, and that the mission was abandoned, the Jesuits returning to France.

Black Robe is a complex and deeply moving film that touches on many issues that are current today. Performance, production, and music are all excellent. I liked it as much as I did when I first saw it in 1991; maybe more.

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Chomina, who continues to guide LaForgue because he has promised Champlain that he would do so. Later, Chomina, wounded by the Iroquois, chooses to die in the snow, to await the She-Manitou.

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The Montagnais shaman Mestigoit

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As the film draws to a conclusion, Father LaForgue begins to realize that perhaps the religion of the Huron and his own religion, though totally different, are all part of the same divine plan. As he walks alone to the Huron Mission, he says: "What can we say to people who think dreams are the real world, and this world is an illusion? Perhaps they’re right. The forests speak. The dead talk at night.”

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Black Robe is staggeringly beautiful, shot in the Canadian wilderness of Saguenay–Lac-Saint-Jean, with some scenes shot in Rouen, France. The film has been praised for its accuracy in the depiction of the Indians of the time.

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speedracer5 wrote: January 13th, 2023, 8:35 pm
HoldenIsHere wrote: January 10th, 2023, 3:15 pm
TikiSoo wrote: January 10th, 2023, 7:49 am Last night I finished A SUMMER PLACE '59

Those are the conventional high points of the movie. Then add a sprinkling of over the top drama (not unlike Mildred Pierce movie) for some delightful LOL moments. Of course, this was my favorite-
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Ah yes, the Christmas tree scene!
The plastic Christmas tree that Constance Ford's character says should last ten years . . .

I'm a big fan of Sandra Dee. I especially love her in GIDGET and TAMMY, TELL ME TRUE. She's very good in her first movie UNTIL THEY SAIL, where she holds her own with Jean Simmons, Joan Fontaine and Piper Laurie (who play her older sisters in the movie).
I also love her in A SUMMER PLACE even though her hairstyle in that movie is not very flattering.
The Christmas tree scene is hilarious. It's so dramatic. I cannot believe that Sandra Dee made "A Summer Place" and "Gidget" in the same year. Talk about two extreme characters. I love Sandra Dee. Much like Doris Day, she's maligned as a goody two shoes, a reputation further cemented by Rizzo's song "Look at me, I'm Sandra Dee" in "Grease." I don't know why she was given this reputation.

Speaking of "Grease," I once had to convince a co-worker that Sandra Dee was a real person and was not in fact, the name of Olivia Newton-John's character. She thought Olivia was named "Sandy Dee" and I had to explain that 1) No. That's not who the song is referring to; and 2) Sandy's last name in the film is Olsson. I'm pretty sure they even say it in the film.
In the stage musical GREASE Sandy's last name is Dombrowski, but you are correct that it is Olsson in the movie adaptation (they actually say it in the movie). The change was likely made to accommodate the casting of Australian Olivia Newton-John, whose character in in the movie is said to have moved to the US from Australia. In the stage play, Sandy is an American who has just transferred to another high school. I guess it was thought that movie audiences would more easily accept "Olsson" as the surname for an Australian than "Dombrowski."

Rydell High is actually based on William Taft High School in Chicago, and in the the original Chicago production the story was explicitly set in Chicago with numerous references to actual Chicago locations. All Chicago references were dropped when the play was adapted for the off-Broadway/Broadway production.

In the movie GREASE, the Rydell High seems to be somewhere in southern California, although many of the students inexplicably have New York City accents.
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laffite wrote: January 11th, 2023, 4:34 pm
Detective Jim McLeod wrote: January 11th, 2023, 11:07 am
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Thanks. I recorded this and plan to view it. I have seen that Joan Crawford dance and didn't care for it. There was no art but she sure seemed to enjoy it. Your post reminds me of The Show of Shows from '29 I think. Always loved that. O man, I want to see that again!
You don't like Joan Crawford's dancing?

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laffite wrote: January 12th, 2023, 1:57 am Life Begins (1932).

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I did not enjoy this. Part of why is that Loretta's character spends a lot of time in a hospital bed. The charm has been quashed between sheets. Story wise there is a sense of morbidity about the whole business I couldn't shake. This does not mean that I am insensitive to the rigors women go through when entering into this new world of imminent motherhood. And yet what would I know about it? Truly identifying with the women is impossible. Maybe that distance informs my impression. At least I can identify with the men. Is this a woman’s movie? Probably, but I didn't give up. I am a notorious chick-flick fan, not by design or by predisposition, I find myself liking them after the fact. But I did not like this one. I don’t like to think of myself as a moralist but I wonder if I thought that childbirth was being too coarsely represented here. And yet maybe the occasional comedy that invokes itself here and there is the palliative to that. Que sais-je?
I enjoyed Life Begins, even if it does have flaws. Glenda Farrell is great fun to watch as always.
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Fedya wrote: January 14th, 2023, 6:32 pm
laffite wrote: January 11th, 2023, 4:34 pm
Detective Jim McLeod wrote: January 11th, 2023, 11:07 am
Hollywood Revue Of 1929 TCM 6/10
Thanks. I recorded this and plan to view it. I have seen that Joan Crawford dance and didn't care for it. There was no art but she sure seemed to enjoy it. Your post reminds me of The Show of Shows from '29 I think. Always loved that. O man, I want to see that again!
You don't like Joan Crawford's dancing?

Yes, I did. Thanks for posting that. When you mentioned her dancing my mind jumped to a different movie (don't know which one off hand, probably earlier) where she dances, not so disciplined as this one. In the other, she seemed to jump around haphazardly while wearing an unbecoming outfit.
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speedracer5 wrote: January 13th, 2023, 8:35 pm [snip]
I cannot believe that Sandra Dee made "A Summer Place" and "Gidget" in the same year. Talk about two extreme characters. I love Sandra Dee. Much like Doris Day, she's maligned as a goody two shoes, a reputation further cemented by Rizzo's song "Look at me, I'm Sandra Dee" in "Grease." I don't know why she was given this reputation. In "A Summer Place," she's a teenager who gets pregnant, in "Gidget," she's upset because she can't seem to score a boyfriend and laments to her mother that she "came home pure as the driven snow," in "Take Her, She's Mine," she writes home to father Jimmy Stewart that she's "still a virgin" and the tone of her letter says that she's not happy about it. Then in "Doctor, You Must Be Kidding," she's trying to figure out who the father of her baby is and there are three potential baby daddies!

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Impressive summary of Sandra in those movies. :smiley_clap:
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laffite wrote: January 14th, 2023, 7:48 pm

Yes, I did. Thanks for posting that. When you mentioned her dancing my mind jumped to a different movie (don't know which one off hand, probably earlier) where she dances, not so disciplined as this one. In the other, she seemed to jump around haphazardly while wearing an unbecoming outfit.
Perhaps you were thinking of Dancing Lady?



She has a scene with the Three Stooges, too.
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I always enjoyed how Sandra was basically playing Gidget in Imitation of Life.
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Fedya wrote: January 15th, 2023, 12:47 pm
laffite wrote: January 14th, 2023, 7:48 pm

Yes, I did. Thanks for posting that. When you mentioned her dancing my mind jumped to a different movie (don't know which one off hand, probably earlier) where she dances, not so disciplined as this one. In the other, she seemed to jump around haphazardly while wearing an unbecoming outfit.
Perhaps you were thinking of Dancing Lady?



She has a scene with the Three Stooges, too.
I was thinking the same thing; This Dancing Lady scene is a classic; we have Crawford looking as thin as a rail doing some very odd dancing and the 3 Stooges, with Larry, playing the piano.
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Fedya wrote: January 15th, 2023, 12:47 pm
laffite wrote: January 14th, 2023, 7:48 pm

Yes, I did. Thanks for posting that. When you mentioned her dancing my mind jumped to a different movie (don't know which one off hand, probably earlier) where she dances, not so disciplined as this one. In the other, she seemed to jump around haphazardly while wearing an unbecoming outfit.
Perhaps you were thinking of Dancing Lady?



She has a scene with the Three Stooges, too.
No, not Dancing Lady. Go to 2:06 in the video below. I think that's it. I wonder if it's really as bad as I say. Hard to tell with this video, it's only 4-6 seconds. In the movie (what movie?), it goes on for at least a couple of minutes and I didn't like it much. I didn't know until now that she could dance so well. So maybe I would like it better now, who knows? I ve seen that first video a few times and it is knocking me out. At one point she swivels on one foot and maintains good balance that looks difficult and then executing a swift cut kick, I mean wow Joan.

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Joan Crawford's "dancing" is horrendous in "Dancing Lady." She looks like my impression of tap dancing. I also cannot stand Ruby Keeler's dancing for the same reason.
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Metropolitan (1990)
Directed by Whit Stillman
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This movie is on my ten-best list. It’s one of the great New York movies and is my favorite New York Christmas movie. Shot on location, it has the Rockefeller Center Christmas tree, great shots of Manhattan neighbourhoods and buildings, and even a trip to the Hamptons. (Like two of the lead characters, I took a cab to the Hamptons once, in an extravagant mood.) It has the Plaza and Waldorf hotels, and the last Automat, which closed shortly after the movie was shot. It has Christmas Eve in Saint Thomas Church on Fifth Avenue, which I know well, because the only time in my life (what was I thinking?!) that I took communion was in Saint Thomas Church on Christmas Eve. But most of all it has a charming group of young people and one of the great scripts. Director/screenwriter Whit Stillman, who knew the milieu he was writing about, has a Rohmer-esque respect for the value of dialogue. His brilliant script was Oscar-nominated.

Tom Townsend, a middle-class Upper West Sider, accidentally falls in with a group of Upper East Side preppies, who call themselves UHB’s (Urban Haute Bourgeoisie). At the various dances and after parties in lovely New York apartments during the holiday break, they talk about philosophy (particularly Fourier), romance, literature (particularly Jane Austen) and what they see as the decline of the debutante society in which many of them were raised. Relationships develop, there is bitchiness, and there is real warmth and affection. I saw this movie when it was released, and later on TCM, when RO interviewed Whit Stillman. I just watched it on TCM On Demand. I love this movie.

Metropolitan was the first movie for most of the young cast members. Particularly noteworthy are Chris Eigeman and Taylor Nichols, who went on to work with Whit Stillman on his other movies.

(In 1998, I had dinner at the Old Town Bar, one of New York's oldest pubs, then went around the corner to see Stillman's The Last Days of Disco. The bar was in the film! We had no idea.)



Christmas Eve scene, Saint Thomas Church, Fifth Avenue at 53rd Street

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Taylor Nichols and Edward Clements in the cab to the Hamptons

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Chris Eigeman (center)
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Cuthbert wrote: January 15th, 2023, 7:35 pm Metropolitan (1990)
This movie is on my ten-best list. It’s one of the great New York movies and is my favorite New York Christmas movie.
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At the various dances and after parties in lovely New York apartments during the holiday break, they talk about philosophy (particularly Fourier), romance, literature (particularly Jane Austen) and what they see as the decline of the debutante society in which many of them were raised.

(Like two of the lead characters, I took a cab to the Hamptons once, in an extravagant mood.)
Haha thanks for describing a little about this movie-I had recorded it based on your recommendation but haven't watched it yet. I was brought up in "society" so it sounds right up my alley.

I have to say my most extravagant cab ride was transporting myself & a carousel horse from Hartford CT to NYC's Yale Club to demonstrate painting restoration. I was completely smashed upon arrival, picked up a 90 year old friend as my date & had an unforgettable evening!
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