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Thompson wrote: April 9th, 2023, 11:24 pm The song is long, even if it’s just done on the organ . I don’t think they are doing it anymore.
I posted a video from YouTube of the 7th inning stretch on April 8, 2023, when the Cubs were playing the Rangers.
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Thompson wrote: April 15th, 2023, 3:38 pm Be a heck of a challenge to score the game between Milwaukee and San Diego this afternoon. It’s Jackie Robinson day and all players on both teams are wearing number 42. No names are on any jerseys either.
I don't think they score the games today. Instead they look at photos of Jackie with admiration.*
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We had in my city an enormously popular sportscaster and hosted a sports segment on the News who liked to say ad infinitum with a supercilious look on face, "It's only a game, it's only a game." Well it's game to you, but what about the players and everyone else who benefits for a winning team. He loved making fun of hockey spending valuable moments of air time by repeatedly showing over and over the scuffles that ensued on ice. Sorry, stupid, there is a reason why that is tolerated. He was also rather funny at making fun of tennis by moving his bad to side to side following the ball. He also was hired by the Padres to announce their games on radio and he wasn't very good IMO. For all I know he might still be doing it. He was homer and described things that happen on the field in idiotic ways. He can be sometime be funny but was certainly not a fave of mine. As a sports guy he was a decidedly an un-serious man despite have cream jobs throughout his career.
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laffite wrote: April 15th, 2023, 4:06 pm
Thompson wrote: April 15th, 2023, 3:38 pm Be a heck of a challenge to score the game between Milwaukee and San Diego this afternoon. It’s Jackie Robinson day and all players on both teams are wearing number 42. No names are on any jerseys either.
I don't think they score the games today. Instead they look at photos of Jackie with admiration.*
Who are "they"?
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The scorekeepers at the game. Of course it was a joke, lame as it may be.
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The San Francisco Giants And Detroit Tigers are still in “rain delay.”
Been delayed almost 5 hours. To think football is played in the snow.
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Thompson wrote: April 16th, 2023, 4:27 pm One of the main jobs of the manager is to hand over to the umpire the lineup card. Everybody has a number in the lineup, both defensively and offensively, e.g. on the defense side pitcher #1, catcher #2, 1st base #3, 2nd base #4, 3rd base #5, shortstop #6, LF CF RF - 789. On the offense the players are scored by their number in the batting order. Before the DH, #1 on defense usually was #9 on offense. To anybody who chicken scratches box scores multiple substitutions will get confusing, pinch hitters and players switching defensive positions and batting order positions. So without a number on the uniform it will be tough to keep everything straight.
Handing over to the lineup to the umpire is probably a piece of cake in comparison to making decisions with what happens during the course of the game in progress.

The official scorekeepers know the players. What positions they are playing and by facial recognition. Piece of Cake. Fans in the stands a different story, probably.
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The Manager oversees all of those others and he overrules them all. He has the final word.
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Thompson, you're a baseball fan. I'm surprised at your comments. C'mon you know better than that. When to take out a pitcher. Don't say that is the job of the pitching coach. The manager makes that decision. When to pinch hit. Don't say that is the batting coach's job. It isn't. The manager makes that decision. Knowing the bullpen and who's ready and who isn't. The pitching coach may be aware of that but so does the manager. The manager makes that decision. The hitting coach and the pitching coach do their main job off the field. When the team is not successful, it is the manager who takes the blame. Not the pitching coach, not the hitting coach, not the batboy (do they still exist), not the guy in the booth, not the guy in the stands selling hot dogs, not the third base coach, not the first base coach, not the ballgirl in right field, not the ballgirl in left field, not the DH, not any position player, IT'S THE MANAGER. He has to make tactical and strategic decisions throughout the game. He decides who is going to play, and no other. He decides the batting order, no other. He knows his players and so none of this is difficult for him. Yes, he has to make an appearance at home plate and lift his arm up a little to hand the batting order, but old guys can do that. He also should be a SOB if he is any good. He has to protect his players by making protest to the ump. He gets the glory or he gets the agony, depending on his team.

Umpires don't know the strike zone if that little horizontal rectangular means anything. I know it's difficult, but they make many bad calls. New plan : if we want to keep the home plate umpires, get rid of the rectangle. If we want the home plate umpires to be permanently retires, then retain the onscreen strike zone. To keep both then it is makes a mockery of the game.

I would hate to be a pitching coach. Make the sure every batter know how to bunt. Teach them the strike zone. Encourage hitters to take a pitch, especially at times when it is important. Don't swing at bad pitches as a general rule. There are always exceptions. But there are runners and second and third with one, make the pitcher pitch to you, don't swing wildly when the pitch is way out there from the strike zone. Don't be afraid to draw a walk (gasp!). Learn about bat handling, swing and go with the pitch, learn to protect the plate with two strikes. Most of things are beyond hitters today. They swagger and swing for the fences. Don't tell me to bunt, don't tell me to go with the pitch, don't tell me to protect the plate, I'm a swagger slugger and I get paid more than you which means I don't need no stinking batting coach to tell me what to do!
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laffite wrote: April 16th, 2023, 10:06 pm Thompson, you're a baseball fan. I'm surprised at your comments. C'mon you know better than that. When to take out a pitcher. Don't say that is the job of the pitching coach. The manager makes that decision. When to pinch hit. Don't say that is the batting coach's job. It isn't. The manager makes that decision. Knowing the bullpen and who's ready and who isn't. The pitching coach may be aware of that but so does the manager. The manager makes that decision. The hitting coach and the pitching coach do their main job off the field. When the team is not successful, it is the manager who takes the blame. Not the pitching coach, not the hitting coach, not the batboy (do they still exist), not the guy in the booth, not the guy in the stands selling hot dogs, not the third base coach, not the first base coach, not the ballgirl in right field, not the ballgirl in left field, not the DH, not any position player, IT'S THE MANAGER. He has to make tactical and strategic decisions throughout the game. He decides who is going to play, and no other. He decides the batting order, no other. He knows his players and so none of this is difficult for him. Yes, he has to make an appearance at home plate and lift his arm up a little to hand the batting order, but old guys can do that. He also should be a SOB if he is any good. He has to protect his players by making protest to the ump. He gets the glory or he gets the agony, depending on his team.

Umpires don't know the strike zone if that little horizontal rectangular means anything. I know it's difficult, but they make many bad calls. New plan : if we want to keep the home plate umpires, get rid of the rectangle. If we want the home plate umpires to be permanently retires, then retain the onscreen strike zone. To keep both then it is makes a mockery of the game.

I would hate to be a pitching coach. Make the sure every batter know how to bunt. Teach them the strike zone. Encourage hitters to take a pitch, especially at times when it is important. Don't swing at bad pitches as a general rule. There are always exceptions. But there are runners and second and third with one, make the pitcher pitch to you, don't swing wildly when the pitch is way out there from the strike zone. Don't be afraid to draw a walk (gasp!). Learn about bat handling, swing and go with the pitch, learn to protect the plate with two strikes. Most of things are beyond hitters today. They swagger and swing for the fences. Don't tell me to bunt, don't tell me to go with the pitch, don't tell me to protect the plate, I'm a swagger slugger and I get paid more than you which means I don't need no stinking batting coach to tell me what to do!
I absolutely agree with what you said in paragraphs one and three here, laffite. And so now lets get to your paragraph number TWO.

Once again I see nothing at all wrong with the suggestion I made a few weeks ago about giving managers two or three times within a game to question a balls/strike call and by use of that superimposed computerized strike zone, and do NOT agree that by doing this it would "make a mockey of the game".

So, has the NBA's recent use of video replay in order to review a called foul (such as in the cases of charge vs block fouls and/or who touched the ball last on an out-of-bounds call) and which each basketball head coach now gets one challenge per each half, well, has THIS "made a mockery of the game" of NBA basketball???

(...I think not, sir...nope, I think it makes it less likely that fans of these sports would then have reason to cry "we was robbed" when their team loses a game, that's all)
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Dargo wrote: April 16th, 2023, 10:52 pm
laffite wrote: April 16th, 2023, 10:06 pm Thompson, you're a baseball fan. I'm surprised at your comments. C'mon you know better than that. When to take out a pitcher. Don't say that is the job of the pitching coach. The manager makes that decision. When to pinch hit. Don't say that is the batting coach's job. It isn't. The manager makes that decision. Knowing the bullpen and who's ready and who isn't. The pitching coach may be aware of that but so does the manager. The manager makes that decision. The hitting coach and the pitching coach do their main job off the field. When the team is not successful, it is the manager who takes the blame. Not the pitching coach, not the hitting coach, not the batboy (do they still exist), not the guy in the booth, not the guy in the stands selling hot dogs, not the third base coach, not the first base coach, not the ballgirl in right field, not the ballgirl in left field, not the DH, not any position player, IT'S THE MANAGER. He has to make tactical and strategic decisions throughout the game. He decides who is going to play, and no other. He decides the batting order, no other. He knows his players and so none of this is difficult for him. Yes, he has to make an appearance at home plate and lift his arm up a little to hand the batting order, but old guys can do that. He also should be a SOB if he is any good. He has to protect his players by making protest to the ump. He gets the glory or he gets the agony, depending on his team.

Umpires don't know the strike zone if that little horizontal rectangular means anything. I know it's difficult, but they make many bad calls. New plan : if we want to keep the home plate umpires, get rid of the rectangle. If we want the home plate umpires to be permanently retires, then retain the onscreen strike zone. To keep both then it is makes a mockery of the game.

I would hate to be a pitching coach. Make the sure every batter know how to bunt. Teach them the strike zone. Encourage hitters to take a pitch, especially at times when it is important. Don't swing at bad pitches as a general rule. There are always exceptions. But there are runners and second and third with one, make the pitcher pitch to you, don't swing wildly when the pitch is way out there from the strike zone. Don't be afraid to draw a walk (gasp!). Learn about bat handling, swing and go with the pitch, learn to protect the plate with two strikes. Most of things are beyond hitters today. They swagger and swing for the fences. Don't tell me to bunt, don't tell me to go with the pitch, don't tell me to protect the plate, I'm a swagger slugger and I get paid more than you which means I don't need no stinking batting coach to tell me what to do!
I absolutely agree with what you said in paragraphs one and three here, laffite. And so now lets get to your paragraph number TWO.

Once again I see nothing at all wrong with the suggestion I made a few weeks ago about giving managers two or three times within a game to question a balls/strike call and by use of that superimposed computerized strike zone, and do NOT agree that by doing this it would "make a mockey of the game".

So, has the NBA's recent use of video replay in order to review a called foul (such as in the cases of charge vs block fouls and/or who touched the ball last on an out-of-bounds call) and which each basketball head coach now gets one challenge per each half, well, has THIS "made a mockery of the game" of NBA basketball???

(...I think not, sir...nope, I think it makes it less likely that fans of these sports would then have reason to cry "we was robbed" when their team loses a game, that's all)
It makes as mockery of the game because we can see the strike zone on our TV and if the umpire is wrong than is at least bad form to have that so starkly displayed. To remedy this, either the rectangle should go, or the umps.

Traditionally, arguing about balls and strikes were forbidden because they were 'judgement calls.' Like the NFL, pass interference is a judgment call. I always accepted that. But your point may be well taken, if we are constantly shown the rectangle and if that is taken to be the arbiter, then let it be. No longer a judgement call. Good call, darg!

I don't watch the NBA any more. I was a big fan in earlier decades (Frazier, Berry, Baylor, even Bob Petit and Dolph Schayes, though the latter just barely. :shock: ) And those Celtics of the 50s and 60s! I disapprove of that challenge, traditionally those were judgement calls, the challenge allows a second opinion. I hate the three-point shot. Always have. Can't stand it when a player has penetrated the zone and then turns and throws it back to someone. Ugly.
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Oh Thompson, Thompson, you are breathtakingly simplistic about managers ; - )

Yesterdays 2-0 win by the Yankees took only 2:07 to play!
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Thompson wrote: April 18th, 2023, 7:28 pm I’m not seeing the catcher put down any fingers to communicate the pitch request to the pitcher??
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laffite wrote: April 18th, 2023, 2:15 am Oh Thompson, Thompson, you are breathtakingly simplistic about managers ; - )

Yesterdays 2-0 win by the Yankees took only 2:07 to play!
It ain’t a real baseball game if it don’t go 3 hours.
A 2 hour movie works for me though.
Get rid of all these stupid new rules and make games 7 innings.
When a Giants game is replayed on TV, it takes 2 hours and the game is condensed.
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